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Posted: July 18, 2018, 3:50 PM Post
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The point I was trying to make is he is using those words for name calling as opposed to saying he hates a certain group of people. IMO, this is not anywhere as bad as what Hader had tweeted.


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 3:55 PM Post
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The point I was trying to make is he is using those words for name calling as opposed to saying he hates a certain group of people. IMO, this is not anywhere as bad as what Hader had tweeted.


and that precisely is what should, and could get them into trouble.

you are taking a group of people, in this case, R words and F words, and using them to degrade someone else by calling them those names.

Maybe I am not explaining this correctly, or clearly, but using those terms for namecalling is no better than what Hader did. It's in the same offensive category if you are one of the group that Merrifield was referring to.


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 4:16 PM Post
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the degree of unfortunate tweets. Regardless the word choices are not acceptable to use.


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 8:31 PM Post
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What about Ortiz, Phillips, and Stokes for Merrifield. Maybe add in a Gatewood or Supak to get it done?


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 8:53 PM Post
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5 guys for one


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 10:15 PM Post
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What about Ortiz, Phillips, and Stokes for Merrifield. Maybe add in a Gatewood or Supak to get it done?


It's an overpay at Ortiz and Stokes honestly. 29, with a rather lacking history prior to last season and this year thus far.

Mlb has this projection for him the remainder of the season:
G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

62 253 33 69 102 16 1 5 25 18 0 47 10 5 .273 .324 .403 .727

Sure, then you have him for another 4? 5 seasons? but he's not a big hitter likely around .750 OPS with age decline in all of those years. He's not elite or even above average defensively. I can't find him even being a top 20 in the Royals system prior to advancing to the majors. His stats are on the high end being a 1month heater. He's not an 800 OPS hitter. In no form does his bat play as an OF(the Hiura takes over 2nd and he just moves to OF) Not a SS. Certainly not a 3b. He's a target to modestly if at all, improve 2b production.
So a big no on sending these better prospects for a small if any improvement.


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Posted: July 18, 2018, 10:35 PM Post
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I don't like his name.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 12:17 AM Post
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I want no part of Merrifield at some of the prices you are all suggesting. This is a 30 year old guy who has had 1 decent year. 3 for 1, 4 for 1? I run as far away from that as I can.


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 8:35 AM Post
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The only way I want Whit is if we can get him affordably, and if we can turn Hiura into an Ace starting pitcher.


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 8:48 AM Post
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The only way I want Whit is if we can get him affordably, and if we can turn Hiura into an Ace starting pitcher.


That echos my thoughts as well.


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 10:30 AM Post
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I wouldn't say that is light. Ray is a former 5th pick in the draft who is having a very nice season. Meideros is another former 1st rounder pitching very well in AA. Of course, we all know Brown is pitching great at AA as well. Just because a deal doesn't include Burnes or Hiura doesn't mean it is light. This one would sting.


We will never get 4 years of a 4 WAR player who can play multiple positions for that package. No way.

People still using WAR is hilarious. You know who another 4 WAR player is? Madison Bumgarner. Therefore Whit = Bum (get it?)

Whit is about to turn 30 and 80% of his career games are at 2b. People act like he's Marwin Gonzalez playing a different position every night. Prior to this year he's hit above 288 TWICE in his career - ages 25/28 in PCL. Prior to this year he's had an OPS above 784 THREE TIMES in his career - ages 25/28 in PCL and age 25 in AA being 1yr older for level.

His 2017 BA/OBP with his 2018 SLG is what to expect - 285/330/760 with a bunch of doubles and 8-10HR is what Whit is because that's who he's always been. That's who he was until 9 games ago as well. He doesn't have a track record of playing at this level because he's playing over his head (just like he was last year in the HR dept) yet somehow people are buying into him being this 124 wrc+ player for the next 4yrs through age 33.

Whit is a solid player no doubt. But people wanting to give up 3 Top 12 players in our org for him is insanity. And even more insane is people wanting to give away a combined 7-8 of our Top 12 for Whit and deGrom. What an absolute nightmare that would be come 2021.


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 10:39 AM Post
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It's not just this thread either. These proposals are straight out of video games.

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave


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Posted: July 19, 2018, 11:54 AM Post
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I think Hiura's potential to be an impact bat is something the Brewers really need, and acquiring Merrifield would likely be to play 2B for years to come, so at that point you're looking to trade Hiura for pitching. All things being equal, I'd rather we keep Hiura and acquire pitching with other prospects, even if that means the pitching acquisition isn't as good as one we could get by including Hiura.

If somehow we could get Merrifield for a price that allows us to deploy him more as a super utility Hernan Perez type, I'd be much more for that, but I'm guessing the Royals will price him high enough that that won't be feasible.

I'm not really convinced the Brewers need to expend all their top prospects to lock up a "TOR" pitcher for a few years. I'd rather give it a shot and hope that Nelson returns to his 2017 stuff or one or two of our top pitching prospects turn into reliable mid-to-top of rotation arms. I just prefer that approach given the talent in our system.


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Posted: July 20, 2018, 7:38 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Dadbauer said:
The only way I want Whit is if we can get him affordably, and if we can turn Hiura into an Ace starting pitcher.


That echos my thoughts as well.


That might be the plan. In fact with Machado gone, the only significant impact moves are to acquire an ace, assuming Hiura can be key piece, and then upgrading with a 2-3 year better than average starter at a position of need. Gives them a shot at having a starter to win a Wild Card play in game this year and upgrades the team for next 2-3 years.

One note, Danny Duffy has been on a real nice run. He's allowed no runs in 3 of his last 5 starts, and 4 of his last 7, and one run in another. Is he a genuine Ace? Maybe not, but since May 24, he's been terrific.

Duffy/Merrifield as a combo?


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Posted: July 20, 2018, 7:43 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Dadbauer said:
The only way I want Whit is if we can get him affordably, and if we can turn Hiura into an Ace starting pitcher.


That echos my thoughts as well.


That might be the plan. In fact with Machado gone, the only significant impact moves are to acquire an ace, assuming Hiura can be key piece, and then upgrading with a 2-3 year better than average starter at a position of need. Gives them a shot at having a starter to win a Wild Card play in game this year and upgrades the team for next 2-3 years.

One note, Danny Duffy has been on a real nice run. He's allowed no runs in 3 of his last 5 starts, and 4 of his last 7, and one run in another. Is he a genuine Ace? Maybe not, but since May 24, he's been terrific.

Duffy/Merrifield as a combo?


Duffy scares me. Inconsistent seems to be his M.O. - And hes expensive as well. I know 14 mil this year but isn't he signed for 3 more years? Or is it 3 total? I suppose if he and Merrifield came together that would be ok, might soften the cost blow if you combined the two... Probably get away with offering a Woodruff, Broxton/Phillips, Ray, Brown, and some lower guys as well.... But that might be too much from our end even though it would be "fair".


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Posted: July 22, 2018, 9:37 AM Post
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For those who think Whit would be cheap:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/ ... einen.html

"An executive" had suggested it would take a headliner of a top 10-15 MLB prospect, plus two good prospects upcoming in the Rule 5 crunch, to get it done.

Now obviously, we aren't making that deal, but no, a couple prospects in the organizational 11-20 range isn't going to cut it.


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Posted: July 22, 2018, 9:54 AM Post
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Jesus...I realize Whit Merrifield’s value...but a Top 15 guy? Merrifield has put up great stats the last two years, but he isn’t a super special bat. I don’t see a team giving up a can’t miss prospect for him. I find it much more believable they get a lesser centerpiece, but with better secondary pieces. That’s the price of versatility and control I guess.

I will say I find it funny, as a whole, the forum gets highly offended if you question Aguilar and mention regression. However Merrifield is what he has been his entire career. All his worse stats and anytime a stat was higher it is a fluke. Weird how that works.

Regardless I’m not giving up Keston Hiura in a deal for Whit Merrifield. I think Merrifield will be a really nice player going forward, but there isn’t a track record there to make me super comfortable. He also has not had consistent stats his two good year so far. Last year the power was there...now it isn’t. Now the OBP skills are there...and last year they weren’t. That’s hard to trust and give up a premium prospect for. Especially one that will be ready next year and plays the same exact position.


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Posted: July 22, 2018, 12:09 PM Post
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Teams are asking for the moon and there no way is DS moving any top guys for this guy.


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Posted: July 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Post
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Jesus...I realize Whit Merrifield’s value...but a Top 15 guy? Merrifield has put up great stats the last two years, but he isn’t a super special bat. I don’t see a team giving up a can’t miss prospect for him. I find it much more believable they get a lesser centerpiece, but with better secondary pieces. That’s the price of versatility and control I guess.

I will say I find it funny, as a whole, the forum gets highly offended if you question Aguilar and mention regression. However Merrifield is what he has been his entire career. All his worse stats and anytime a stat was higher it is a fluke. Weird how that works.

Regardless I’m not giving up Keston Hiura in a deal for Whit Merrifield. I think Merrifield will be a really nice player going forward, but there isn’t a track record there to make me super comfortable. He also has not had consistent stats his two good year so far. Last year the power was there...now it isn’t. Now the OBP skills are there...and last year they weren’t. That’s hard to trust and give up a premium prospect for. Especially one that will be ready next year and plays the same exact position.


I just don't see Merrifield getting dealt for the same reason that there's no real consensus on Merrifield here.

The Royals see Merrifield as a controllable and productive 4 WAR player who happens to be a late bloomer. Other teams see Merrifield as an unproven and possibly flukish player. The gap in perception is just too much for two teams to overcome.


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