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Posted: January 02, 2019, 11:07 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Boomer5 said:
Without Johnson the Brewers should have zero interest in Gray unless they can make it salary neutral. I wouldn’t give up anything of value for Gray and I wouldn’t pick up a nickel of his contract over what we dump to them.

And yes, Johnson is the only reason we would bring in this guy at this point in his career and yes, DJ is elite and was his college coach. It is naive to think that wasn’t a huge factor in bringing in a project like Gray at the time.


Johnson wasn't the Oakland pitching coach in 2015 when Gray finished 3rd in the CY voting was he? Did the Yankees employ one pitching coach on the road and one at home resulting in huge home/road splits? Gray's a veteran major league pitcher who can figure out things on his own without a pitching coach making a huge difference.


Gray still had residual Johnson pixie dust from his Vandy days in 2015.

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: January 03, 2019, 2:56 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Boomer5 said:
Without Johnson the Brewers should have zero interest in Gray unless they can make it salary neutral. I wouldn’t give up anything of value for Gray and I wouldn’t pick up a nickel of his contract over what we dump to them.

And yes, Johnson is the only reason we would bring in this guy at this point in his career and yes, DJ is elite and was his college coach. It is naive to think that wasn’t a huge factor in bringing in a project like Gray at the time.


I personally think it’s naive to think that one coach would make that much of a difference on a professional athlete. The Brewers are interested because they think his value could outweigh the cost. Derek Johnson has nothing to do with that. If the Brewers thought the way you do, they would have no interest in Gray. That doesn’t seem to be the case.


I have no trouble eating the cost of Gray's contract... if the Yankees throw in a couple of prospects.


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Posted: January 03, 2019, 4:12 PM Post
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clancyphile said:
Stokes is too good to be given up for a reclamation project like Gray.


I wouldn't call Gray a "reclamation project." He's a good pitcher--when he's not pitching in Yankee Stadium. Thankfully the Brewers don't play their home games at Yankee Stadium.


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Posted: January 03, 2019, 4:23 PM Post
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502 to Right said:
clancyphile said:
Stokes is too good to be given up for a reclamation project like Gray.


I wouldn't call Gray a "reclamation project." He's a good pitcher--when he's not pitching in Yankee Stadium. Thankfully the Brewers don't play their home games at Yankee Stadium.


I would second that....

By Breakdown ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG
Home 6.98 4 4 0 0 15 11 0 59.1 78 47 46 11 35 45 .318
Away 3.17 7 5 0 1 15 12 0 71.0 60 26 25 3 22 78 .226


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Posted: January 03, 2019, 6:17 PM Post
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502 to Right said:
clancyphile said:
Stokes is too good to be given up for a reclamation project like Gray.


I wouldn't call Gray a "reclamation project." He's a good pitcher--when he's not pitching in Yankee Stadium. Thankfully the Brewers don't play their home games at Yankee Stadium.


Just like Tyler Chatwood was a good pitcher when not pitching at Coors field.


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Posted: January 07, 2019, 8:10 AM Post
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Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Padres remain interested in acquiring Sonny Gray.

Morosi also mentions that the Padres have made no progress in a deal for Corey Kluber, with earlier reports suggesting that the Indians want a Chris Sale-esque return for their ace. He also mentions that the availability of Gray -- once considered likely to be dealt -- may be the biggest issue now, as there are concerns that CC Sabathia may not be ready for the season after undergoing heart surgery. Gray's value would go up if he's pitching in the National League, but right now, there's a good chance he stays in the New York rotation -- at least until we see where Sabathia is in terms of his readiness.

Source: Jon Morosi on TwitterJan 7 - 8:42 AM


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Posted: January 07, 2019, 8:15 AM Post
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The Yankees need to crap or get off the pot regarding Gray. Cashman basically told the whole league he was going to get traded back in November, which was a pretty blatant signal that they wanted him gone. Then you see rumors that they want a top prospect or solid MLB piece for him. Forget that noise.

If I'm Stearns, I offer Thames straight up with no money changing hands. If they eat most of his contract, I offer someone like Stokes or Houser. If they balk, tell them to pound sand.


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Posted: January 07, 2019, 11:42 AM Post
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If Gray continues to struggle in NY, I wonder how long the Yankees will stick with him on their roster.

Funny how they publicly denigrate him (or at least his performance, some of which isn't out of line with how he performed) -- the sort of thing teams rarely outright do toward players -- and then ask for a mint for him in trade.


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Posted: January 08, 2019, 9:36 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
The Yankees need to crap or get off the pot regarding Gray. Cashman basically told the whole league he was going to get traded back in November, which was a pretty blatant signal that they wanted him gone. Then you see rumors that they want a top prospect or solid MLB piece for him. Forget that noise.

If I'm Stearns, I offer Thames straight up with no money changing hands. If they eat most of his contract, I offer someone like Stokes or Houser. If they balk, tell them to pound sand.


He doesn't even have a guaranteed contract, so they won't eat a bunch of salary, unless they're getting something substantial back, which they won't.

But yeah, Cashman is being a little ridiculous. I know it's all posturing, but his fellow GMs aren't stupid. Gray at this point is a nice flyer, nothing more. It's questionable whether he has any surplus value at all at 1 year of control and about 9-10M for an arby price.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 10:59 AM Post
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Gary just signed a 1 year deal for 7.5 million, 1.5 million less than the arbitration projection. Surplus value just went up 1.5 million so throw another fringe prospect in there.

Also a note on MLBTradeRumors that the Yankees are looking for multiple high level arms that "have a legitimate chance." So it appears they are now off the "premium" type demands. I have a feeling their ask from Milwaukee would come down from the absolutely ridiculous to something like Zack Brown plus Braden Webb one of Cody Ponce or Jon Olczak. That's still an overpay from Milwaukee's end but it wouldn't be a crazy ask for the Yankees.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 11:41 AM Post
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Zack Brown alone is a big overpay.

If that's what Cashman is looking for I'd offer his pick of Caden Lemons or Cody Ponce plus Carlos Herrera, take it or pound sound. Gray is a project, not a necessity, and not a particularly cheap project.


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