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Posted: November 20, 2018, 9:42 AM Post
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I would be all for a Schoop for Gray swap! Gray didn’t seem to like the high pressure in NY. I’d bet a move to Milwaukee would make him much more comfortable and he’d be back to his Oakland form.


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Posted: November 20, 2018, 9:43 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
JosephC said:
If the Brewers aren't going to offer Schoop arbitration, then it only becomes an issue if they want to tie up 9 million in Gray or use the 9 million elsewhere (catching upgrade). Yankees seem desperate to move Gray, and have a 1 year middle infield opening with the Gregorius injury. Both players are only controlled for 1 more season. It seems to make sense for both sides.

If Attanasio bumps the payroll enough where the Brewers add Gray's 9 million and still have 12-15 million to play with (add a top catcher and a 2B bridge to Hiura), then I wouldn't be opposed to a Gray/Schoop swap.


After Hiura's AFL season... do we really need a bridge to Hiura, or just to plug him in on Opening Day?


I'm not saying it's right, but there is no way Hiura will be on the opening day roster. Teams just don't promote top prospects until they gain that extra year of control. I think that's somewhere around 4/28/19. So that's probably the earliest we see Hiura regardless of how how he hits in spring/AAA and independent of other options they have at second base to start the season.


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Posted: November 20, 2018, 11:30 AM Post
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long ball said:
clancyphile said:
JosephC said:
If the Brewers aren't going to offer Schoop arbitration, then it only becomes an issue if they want to tie up 9 million in Gray or use the 9 million elsewhere (catching upgrade). Yankees seem desperate to move Gray, and have a 1 year middle infield opening with the Gregorius injury. Both players are only controlled for 1 more season. It seems to make sense for both sides.

If Attanasio bumps the payroll enough where the Brewers add Gray's 9 million and still have 12-15 million to play with (add a top catcher and a 2B bridge to Hiura), then I wouldn't be opposed to a Gray/Schoop swap.


After Hiura's AFL season... do we really need a bridge to Hiura, or just to plug him in on Opening Day?


I'm not saying it's right, but there is no way Hiura will be on the opening day roster. Teams just don't promote top prospects until they gain that extra year of control. I think that's somewhere around 4/28/19. So that's probably the earliest we see Hiura regardless of how how he hits in spring/AAA and independent of other options they have at second base to start the season.


If even the Cubs played that game with Bryant, then you better believe we’re waiting for service time milestones before we promote Hiura. Heck, if the team is in first place with duct tape and bandaids at second, I bet the brain trust doesn’t even think about promoting him until Super 2 time in June or later. The Brewers are contenders now, but a budget-conscious mindset probably still remains. If they’re intent on hanging on to Hiura for the long haul (as opposed to making him the centerpiece of a blockbuster trade), then they want to do what every team does: squeeze every day of control they can from him. That is the nature of the beast.

And, you know, the guy only has 74 games over A-ball and none at AAA. And he is hundreds of game reps behind his peers in terms of defensive appearances. I love the kid, too, but I’m not proclaiming him a batting champion like some people. If he pans out better than Rickie Weeks did (who had similar hype, of course), I’ll be satisfied, if ever so wistfully. If he makes multiple all-star games, I’ll be thrilled. But to hear some people tell it, the kid might as well be a lock as a franchise great. Let’s not rush anything.

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Posted: November 20, 2018, 12:06 PM Post
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I have been a fan of the Gray to Milwaukee narrative for a couple of years now. I'm really just hoping that he doesn't get traded to the Reds with DJ waiting there to "fix" him...


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 2:48 PM Post
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Jon Paul Morosi of MLB.com reports that the Brewers have been in contact with the Yankees about a trade for Sonny Gray.

This backs up recent reporting from Max Wildstein of Gotham Sports Network. It's no secret that the Yankees are shopping Gray and he's a sure thing to be dealt at some point this winter. The 29-year-old is coming off a 4.90 ERA this past season and has been a poor fit for New York, but there's plenty of appetite in him as a buy-low. The Brewers fit in this dynamic. Gray made $6.5 million in 2018 and has one year of arbitration before hitting free agency.

Source: Jon Morosi on TwitterDec 4 - 11:23 AM


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 7:47 PM Post
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It will be interesting to see what the Yankees get. Average fWAR/bWAR for Grey over the last three years is only 1.4. It was 1.15 if just looking at 2018. If one values him at 1.4 WAR for 2019 then 1.4 * 9 million = 12.6 million in value - 9 million he's projected to make = +3.6 million in surplus value. Numbers say he is only worth a couple fringe prospects.


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 8:37 PM Post
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I'm fine with Gray. I'm not giving up much though. Thinking similar to a Cy Sneed type guy


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 10:14 PM Post
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I think Gray gives us a solid #2 and really would like the rotation.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:55 AM Post
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Gray for Thames and a small extra


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 11:15 AM Post
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Gray for Thames and a small extra


This trade makes a ton of sense for both clubs. Yankees could platoon Thames/Voit at 1B and use whatever minor league chip we trade them to flip at the trade deadline to improve their MLB club. Maybe someone along the lines of Troy Stokes or Marcus Diplan. Thames will make $6M in 2019 with a Club Option for $7.5 in 2020. ($1M Buyout), so swapping him and Gray would be nearly a salary cap wash for both clubs as well.

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Posted: December 10, 2018, 7:38 AM Post
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MLB Network's Jon Morosi reports that the Padres have continued to talk to the Yankees about a possible trade for Sonny Gray.

It looks like a near certainty that the Yankees will be dealing the embattled right-hander this offseason after he struggled to a 4.90 ERA during a disappointing 2018 season. The Brewers, Athletics, Reds, Braves, Rangers and Twins have all been mentioned as possible destinations for Gray, but no landing spot would be better for his fantasy value than the spacious confines of Petco Park in San Diego.

Source: Jon Morosi on TwitterDec 9 - 10:30 PM


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 7:41 AM Post
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I'm at the point that I do not want Gray unless the Yankees are sending something back of use with him. I just think there are better ways to spend ~$9mm for the Brewers.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 8:16 AM Post
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Without DJ I can’t imagine the Brewers would have any interest in Gray.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 8:18 AM Post
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Without DJ I can’t imagine the Brewers would have any interest in Gray.


I think people are reading way too much into that connection.

I think if the Brewers can pick him up for a bad contract (Thames?) or a low-level prospect, they'd be happy to take a chance on him.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 8:22 AM Post
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I agree with Joey if the deal is their take it


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 10:01 AM Post
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LOL at Yankee fans expecting a Gray for Scooter Gennett straight-up deal. Interesting to see Gennett on the block, though. Not that I think the Brewers would ever go there, but that would be one heck of a bridge 2B.


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Posted: December 28, 2018, 8:45 AM Post
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Source: #Brewers remain prominent in Sonny Gray talks with #Yankees. #Reds were involved earlier this offseason but have faded somewhat due to additions of Wood and Roark. @MLB @MLBNetwork


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Posted: December 28, 2018, 8:52 AM Post
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Last I heard, when the Yankees were talking with the Reds they wanted Taylor Trammell as the return. Taylor Trammell is #17 on MLB's Top 100 list. Not really any surprise the Reds went in a different direction.


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Posted: December 28, 2018, 9:41 AM Post
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I don't know why anyone would give up assets for the right to pay Gray ~$9mm.

Matt Harvey signed for $12mm in free agency. There are still other starters available of this caliber.


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Posted: December 28, 2018, 9:50 AM Post
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Jon Morosi
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Source: #Brewers remain prominent in Sonny Gray talks with #Yankees. #Reds were involved earlier this offseason but have faded somewhat due to additions of Wood and Roark. @MLB @MLBNetwork


The Yankees best be lowering their demands then. I'd give up a Stokes-level prospect, but that's about it.


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