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Solving the Catcher Position for 2019


Who should be the Brewers starting catcher in 2019?
Piña / Kratz / Nottingham (no outside acquisitions) 41%  41%  [ 56 ]
Yasmani Grandal (via free agency) 16%  16%  [ 22 ]
Wilson Ramos (via free agency) 21%  21%  [ 29 ]
J.T. Realmuto (via trade) 13%  13%  [ 18 ]
An Old Friend (Jonathan Lucroy or Martin Maldonado via free agency) 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Other (please post an explanation) 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 135
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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
#61

Posted: November 06, 2018, 9:13 AM Post
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Lathund said:
JosephC said:
Grandal was number one, but surprisingly, I don't think the metrics include passed balls and Grandal is sort of known as the king for allowing passed balls.


What makes you think that? It's a combination of Framing Runs + Blocking Runs + Throwing Runs, and I would find it very hard to believe that "Blocking Runs" doesn't include passed balls and wild pitches.


I had been doing some more searching about the blocking runs and passed balls are factored into the blocking runs statistic. I stand corrected on that.


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Posted: November 06, 2018, 10:42 AM Post
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MLBTR has Ramos projected to get $36/3. He certainly carries an injury risk, but his ceiling as a hitter is certainly on par with Realmuto. Brewers could afford to let Schoop and his $10 million go and just start the year with Perez at 2B if they added a bat like Ramos behind the plate.


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Posted: November 06, 2018, 6:58 PM Post
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Can't start with Perez at 2B because then the manager would bat him 5th in the lineup everyday!


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 06, 2018, 8:35 PM Post
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JosephC said:
Can't start with Perez at 2B because then the manager would bat him 5th in the lineup everyday!


UGH!

Sadly, you are probably right.

[sad]


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#65

Posted: November 08, 2018, 5:23 PM Post
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Even though he's not very good in the clubhouse, what if we signed Jack Parkman to be our catcher? Great hitter and his power would play great at Miller Park.


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Posted: November 09, 2018, 12:56 PM Post
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Some stats for reference...

3-Year Stats:
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2-Year Stats:
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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 09, 2018, 3:40 PM Post
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I'm totally fine going with Manny Pina as the #1 catcher for 2019 and piecing things together for the #2. I think Pina gets dumped on too much on this site. He's a perfectly decent catcher both defensively and offensively. There's a lot of value in being average.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 09, 2018, 4:25 PM Post
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502 to Right said:
I'm totally fine going with Manny Pina as the #1 catcher for 2019 and piecing things together for the #2. I think Pina gets dumped on too much on this site. He's a perfectly decent catcher both defensively and offensively. There's a lot of value in being average.


Totally agree.

I feel like management dumped on him too at the end when Kratz was receiving the majority of starts.

We'd be just fine with Manny if he is our weakest link in the batting order.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
#69

Posted: November 09, 2018, 5:48 PM Post
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Nobody runs against the pineapple.

[smile]


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 12, 2018, 3:18 PM Post
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Alden Gonzalez
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SP Hyun-Jin Ryu is expected to accept the qualifying offer, but C Yasmani Grandal will not, source confirms. Dodgers will look for a new, short-term catcher to buy time before their promising prospects are ready. And they will have a ton of starting pitching coming back.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 12, 2018, 6:50 PM Post
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mattyo said:
Alden Gonzalez
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SP Hyun-Jin Ryu is expected to accept the qualifying offer, but C Yasmani Grandal will not, source confirms. Dodgers will look for a new, short-term catcher to buy time before their promising prospects are ready. And they will have a ton of starting pitching coming back.


Damn, does this mean they will steal Ramos from us?


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 12, 2018, 8:50 PM Post
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502 to Right said:
I think Pina gets dumped on too much on this site.


Oh yeah, from who?


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 9:51 AM Post
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wallus said:
502 to Right said:
I think Pina gets dumped on too much on this site.


Oh yeah, from who?


Dumped on may not be the right terminology, but considering all the threads talking about upgrading from a league average backstop with plus defense...


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 10:03 AM Post
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I like Pina more than most, but the fact that the team did not even deem him worthy of getting any playing time over Erik Kratz in the second half and playoffs is pretty telling as to how they feel about going forward with Pina as the starter.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 10:18 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
I like Pina more than most, but the fact that the team did not even deem him worthy of getting any playing time over Erik Kratz in the second half and playoffs is pretty telling as to how they feel about going forward with Pina as the starter.


To me, this felt more like an error by CC. I think they liked Kratz in there calling games and for his veteran presence. Stearns should absolutely punt Kratz for the sole purpose of not giving CC an opportunity to make stupid decisions again.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 10:20 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
wallus said:
502 to Right said:
I think Pina gets dumped on too much on this site.


Oh yeah, from who?


Dumped on may not be the right terminology, but considering all the threads talking about upgrading from a league average backstop with plus defense...


Manny is a good starting catcher but would be great in a backup/shared role. I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't be on the team.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 1:39 PM Post
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If anything, Manny has shown to not be a starting catcher in this league. His body doesn't hold up well enough to be counted on for playing 2/3's of the games. Even during his minor league career, he never caught more than 100 games in a season. He'd be a great backup to a better catcher. He'd stay fresh. His defense wouldn't hurt you. And he'd occasionally have a nice game hitting.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
#78

Posted: November 13, 2018, 2:59 PM Post
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Is it really a bad thing to have a 60/40 or 50/50 playing time split at catcher with the way pitching has changed?

The job of catching every day has to be mentally exhausting. The amount of game planning that goes into preparing for every different batter a team has + how a specific pitcher is going to attack each hitter. There's more information than ever before so the job of a catcher has evolved over the years.

We saw the Brewers pair up Pina and Kratz with specific starting pitchers and I'd expect that to continue in 2019 (easier to do because neither was a great hitter in 2018).

If you invest heavily into a catcher like Ramos, Grandal, or Realmuto you probably want them playing 80% of the time.


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
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Posted: November 13, 2018, 11:27 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
adambr2 said:
I like Pina more than most, but the fact that the team did not even deem him worthy of getting any playing time over Erik Kratz in the second half and playoffs is pretty telling as to how they feel about going forward with Pina as the starter.


To me, this felt more like an error by CC. I think they liked Kratz in there calling games and for his veteran presence. Stearns should absolutely punt Kratz for the sole purpose of not giving CC an opportunity to make stupid decisions again.


For playing the catcher that received the ball really well, and was preferred by Miley and Chacin? Miley for sure said that he was most comfortable with Kratz, and it seems like Jhoulys was in that same boat. Those two pitched quite a bit down the stretch...


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Offline  Re: Solving the Catcher Position for 2019
#80

Posted: November 14, 2018, 8:48 AM Post
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A guy nobody's mentioned because his extensive injury history likely relegates him to being a backup is Devin Mesoraco. This is a guy that once posted an .893 OPS and just last year had 11 HR in under 300 PA. He probably can be had for very little investment. He's still only 30.


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