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Posted: December 11, 2018, 9:56 AM Post
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Hard no on Murphy.


Care to elaborate? His bat is seemingly what this lineup is currently missing. Defense may be an issue, but I'll chalk up his bad defense last year to coming off an injury.


He's always been a poor defender at 2B. 2018 was just extra bad. It may still be that his bat and the financial side of things makes him the best option still, but he's definitely a poor defender.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 10:45 AM Post
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I don't think Murphy is the worst option we could do but his age and terrible defense scare me away from him a bit.

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Posted: December 11, 2018, 10:51 AM Post
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I think he'd fit great assuming we could move Thames and his salary. Presumably the same ballpark yearly cost or a bit more but a much better hitter and positional flex to cover a lot of 2B for this year while being insurance for Jesus. Way more roster flexibility. If you still have Thames though it makes it tough on the roster though.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 10:57 AM Post
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Stearns just reiterated on mlb network radio that 2nd base is the one spot on the roster they feel they definitely need to resolve this off season.

So even if Hiura starting at 2b is in sight, it feels like they will make some type of acquisition for an infielder.

With all of the options at 2b, they should probably just be patient. Someone is going to end up signing a 1 yr $4mm deal.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 10:59 AM Post
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Good points by long ball, there are so many options that there probably isn't much harm in waiting it out. Murphy would fit in the scenario I said, but that's a hurdle to find someone to take Thames salary. Moreover, it's probably more ideal to find someone who can also play 3B more than 1B. Buuuut, Murphy is the exact type of hitter they need.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 11:10 AM Post
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long ball said:
Stearns just reiterated on mlb network radio that 2nd base is the one spot on the roster they feel they definitely need to resolve this off season.

So even if Hiura starting at 2b is in sight, it feels like they will make some type of acquisition for an infielder.

With all of the options at 2b, they should probably just be patient. Someone is going to end up signing a 1 yr $4mm deal.


Counsell said the very same thing yesterday regarding 2B. Yes they could wait and get "someone" but the last two years Murphy was healthy, he posted OPS's of .928 and .985. Those aren't just "someone" type numbers. Even assuming age has started to hinder his performance, an .800+ OPS seems very likely.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 11:17 AM Post
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long ball said:
Stearns just reiterated on mlb network radio that 2nd base is the one spot on the roster they feel they definitely need to resolve this off season.

So even if Hiura starting at 2b is in sight, it feels like they will make some type of acquisition for an infielder.

With all of the options at 2b, they should probably just be patient. Someone is going to end up signing a 1 yr $4mm deal.


Counsell said the very same thing yesterday regarding 2B. Yes they could wait and get "someone" but the last two years Murphy was healthy, he posted OPS's of .928 and .985. Those aren't just "someone" type numbers. Even assuming age has started to hinder his performance, an .800+ OPS seems very likely.


I agree. This team is a World Series contender. I think we're past the point of signing guys to be placeholders. If they make a 2B move, it's going to be for a guy they feel can be the man there for the bulk of the 2019 season. If Hiura hits his way into consideration for a call-up sometime in 2019, great! But at least the pressure won't be as great to get him up as it would if they planned on something like a Saladino/Perez platoon there.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 11:20 AM Post
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Has anyone thought that the Brewers may not be looking to move Keston because they have an inclination that the DH may be coming to the NL rather soon (ie next couple years)?


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 11:37 AM Post
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Yeah, I imagine that Stearns is looking for value in the 2b market, and I think his track record suggests that he's going to value defense as well as positional flexibility. It does seem likely that they'll wait a bit to see which chips fall where and then swoop in on a budget option, maybe a dark horse like Descalso or whichever of Dozier, Lowrie, LeMahieu, Cabrera is left without a chair when the music stops. Murphy could fit as a part time 1b/2b as noted but I agree that the numbers are not kind to his defense at second, and I'd be a bit surprised to see them go that way. Marwin Gonzalez is a guy I could see them liking, but he seems likely to get three or four years and I think we're probably not up for that.

I have also wondered whether they'd take Kipnis and his contract in a deal for a Cleveland pitcher to reduce the prospect cost required.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 12:06 PM Post
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Hiura was recovering from a torn UCL when they drafted him which limited his ability to play D. He's no Gold Glover, but he's not a bad defensive 2B.

I think people have been confusing the two, taking the initial "he can't play D right now" from when they drafted him to mean he's a lousy 2B who would be better off as a DH because that narrative has continued ever since he entered the organization.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 12:25 PM Post
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I’m not a big fan of Murphy, but his offensive upside is appealing. He wouldn’t command a lengthy contract either. If they were to sign Murphy, I think he will play some first and second base depending on matchups

I can see Murphy working out well for us. He hits lefties well and we wouldn’t need to put him in a platoon, which is big that we can count on him playing everyday unless he gets injured.

1. Cain CF
2. Murphy 2B
3. Yelich RF
4. Aguilar 1B
5. Shaw 3B
6. Braun LF
7. Pina C
8. Arcia SS

Maybe it’s just me, but there is something awkward about that lineup. It looks to be missing a reliable right handed bat in the top half of the order. Murphy is a solid option for us, but I think there would be additional moves to the roster construction.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 1:21 PM Post
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Lathund said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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Hard no on Murphy.


Care to elaborate? His bat is seemingly what this lineup is currently missing. Defense may be an issue, but I'll chalk up his bad defense last year to coming off an injury.


He's always been a poor defender at 2B. 2018 was just extra bad. It may still be that his bat and the financial side of things makes him the best option still, but he's definitely a poor defender.


I think we're all forgetting who took the majority of our AB's at 2B last year.....Eric friggin Sogard, Brad Miller, Tyler Salidno, Hernan Perez. Perez was okay. Sogard batted under .100 in his time here, Brad Miller was awful, and Salidino wasn't much better.

We've got a chance to add a guy who is a career .299 hitter! Injuries or not, the man can hit the ball, you don't forget how to hit just because you got hurt. Imagine what this team would have looked like with a .270avg out of the 2B hole last year rather than like a .230?


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 1:25 PM Post
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We've got a chance to add a guy who is a career .299 hitter! Injuries or not, the man can hit the ball, you don't forget how to hit just because you got hurt. Imagine what this team would have looked like with a .270avg out of the 2B hole last year rather than like a .230?


Add in the fact that a lumbering 6'4" 3B took most of the reps at 2B during the stretch run, and it would appear that the team is willing to sacrifice defense at that position to get another potent bat in the lineup. Arcia is such a strong defender at SS that I imagine they'd be willing to compromise a bit at 2B.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 2:09 PM Post
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I think we're all forgetting who took the majority of our AB's at 2B last year.....Eric friggin Sogard, Brad Miller, Tyler Salidno, Hernan Perez. Perez was okay. Sogard batted under .100 in his time here, Brad Miller was awful, and Salidino wasn't much better.

We've got a chance to add a guy who is a career .299 hitter! Injuries or not, the man can hit the ball, you don't forget how to hit just because you got hurt. Imagine what this team would have looked like with a .270avg out of the 2B hole last year rather than like a .230?


Agreed. We were ONE GAME away from the World Series. Adding a (hopefully) healthy Murphy could help put us over the edge. He can be THAT good when he is healthy.

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Posted: December 11, 2018, 2:15 PM Post
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Hard no on Murphy.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 2:41 PM Post
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Yangervis Solarte is a name I haven't seen mentioned around here. Switch hitting utility infielder coming off a bad year for the Blue Jays. I don't know what his D is like. If he is a solid fielder he could be a decent cheap option to pick up and look for a bounce back year. Marwin Gonzalez lite.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 2:43 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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Hard no on Murphy.


Care to elaborate? His bat is seemingly what this lineup is currently missing. Defense may be an issue, but I'll chalk up his bad defense last year to coming off an injury. He showed last year that while his bat may not be what it was during his prime run with the Nationals, he's still very dangerous. He also hasn't had drastic splits vs RHP and LHP up until last year, so hopefully last year was an an outlier.

Personally I'd prefer LeMahieu or Marwin Gonzalez, but it is quite possible that those two are either too expensive or are seeking too long of a contract. That leaves the Brewers choosing from guys like Murphy and Dozier.


Brutal defense. No thanks.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 3:41 PM Post
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Stearns just reiterated on mlb network radio that 2nd base is the one spot on the roster they feel they definitely need to resolve this off season.


Makes me think he doesn't feel he has a definite need. He's a GM, which means believe the opposite of most things he says. We see this over and over again.

Last year, the last thing anyone thought Stearns would do last season is get an OF. He got two. Does he need a 2B? Of course, right now Perez or Shaw would be the starting 2B. They have had discussions internally about Hiura, and we simply don't know what the plan is. But for all we know the plan is to start him from day one. Maybe use a filler until his Super 2 is passed. We also know they're very high on Dubon.

No, Stearns is all about value. And I will not be shocked if the biggest move me makes this off-season is for another OF. I don't know who that will be, but he'll be LH. Maybe Brantley. Perfect fit for this team.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 3:47 PM Post
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Red Sox said Xander Bogaerts might be available on his last arby year this year. I have no idea what the Sox would be looking for, but bullpen help would probably be a decent guess.

Three years of arby controlled Corey Knebel for Bogaerts, Darwinzon Hernandez and Durbin Feltman?


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 6:33 PM Post
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Murphy has historically been a below average defender, not a "terrible" defender. So annoying when some claim just becomes received wisdom even though it's totally divorced from facts/statistics.

Sorry to bring fantasy baseball into this ( [laughing] ), but I followed Murphy's season very closely last year because I whiffed on picking him early. The reason he was so bad both defensively, and below his standards offensively, was because of his offseason knee surgery. He was initially supposed to be ready around Opening Day but it just kept getting pushed back further and further and he wasn't even doing on-field drills. Then eventually the Nationals ran out of patience months into the season and just rushed him back, even though he could not run at full speed or move side-to-side comfortably, and even though his in-game preparation was perfunctory. Obviously that's a problem at 2B.

Major surgery like that is still a big red flag, so it's not like Murphy is going to get the contract he would have after 2016-2017, but the upside there is tremendous. If he signs on a 2-year deal we would be very lucky.

He can definitely play 1B and I see no reason he can't be a super utility get in a corner OF too. He was a speedy player prior to his injury. Everything depends on whether he's healthy, of course.


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