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Posted: November 20, 2018, 11:24 AM Post
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The Indians are in a payroll bind with 127 million already committed for 2019, not including arbitration to Trevor Bauer and Francisco Lindor. (Their all time high payroll was last year at 134 million) They have plenty of depth in their rotation behind Kluber with Bauer, Clevinger, Carrasco, Shane Bieber etc. They also have an alarming lack of outfielders on their roster. Brantley, Chisenhall, and Melky Cabrera have all filed for free agency, leaving a glut of players with barely a .700 OPS for the outfield. They also lost relievers Cody Allen, Andrew Miller and Oliver Perez to Free Agency.

The Brewers by contrast have a surplus of cost controlled outfielders: Santana, Keon Broxton and Trey Stokes, Corey Ray. They also have a 40 man roster crunch and surplus of cheap arms both starters and relievers that could be intriguing: Brandon Woodruff, Junior Guerra, Zach Davies, Taylor Williams, Adrian Houser, Marcos Diplan, Trey Supak.

It would be a gut wrencher to ship out the talent to acquire Kluber (Santana, Broxton, Ray, Woodruff, Williams and Guerra hypothetically), but then again two time Cy Young award winners with three years of team control don't become available for trade very often.


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Posted: November 21, 2018, 2:20 PM Post
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Seems like a lot for a guy who lets a guy like Suter hit an absolute bomb.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:33 PM Post
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Morosi says we're in it (Corey Ray appealing to the Tribe), obviously others interested in CK. This is the deal DS needs to go extra for as long as Huira and Burnes aren't in the deal.


Ray, Santana and Peralta along with our CB pick for Kluber??


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:41 PM Post
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I said in the other thread that I'd offer Ray, Burnes, Peralta and Thames for Kluber. Yes Peralta and Burnes is a lot. But so was giving up Brinson, Harrison, Diaz, Yamo for the MVP.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:43 PM Post
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Burnes is a "NO" for me. I might stretch to Woodruff. That's a might


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:48 PM Post
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The value on young starters is just too high to give up two in one deal. I think Ray, Burnes and Peralta for Kluber is a massive overpay. Plus, the Indians have Kluber and Bauer on the market because not only are they trying to save money they have too many starting pitching options. I could totally see a package headlined by Ray and Santana or even one of the Brewers' relievers (Knebel?).


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:55 PM Post
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Ray, Santana, Peralta and Comp A pick would be my top offer.

I would also be willing to eat Kipnis as a bridge to Hiura if they took back Thames/Anderson


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 2:57 PM Post
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I'd do Ray and Santana right now!

No way I move Burnes AND Peralta. In fact, I wouldn't move Burnes at all, and I'm not thrilled to let Peralta go either.

I enjoy the fact that we have 3 major league ready guys to anchor our rotation this year, trading them away, as a small market club is not wise.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:01 PM Post
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Kluber is a potential difference maker for a team that finished one game away from the World Series. I'd trade Peralta or Woodruff plus Ray for him. Not giving up Hiura or Burnes though

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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:01 PM Post
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I'd do Ray and Santana right now!

No way I move Burnes AND Peralta. In fact, I wouldn't move Burnes at all, and I'm not thrilled to let Peralta go either.

I enjoy the fact that we have 3 major league ready guys to anchor our rotation this year, trading them away, as a small market club is not wise.


This is about where I'm at with the 2 pitchers. Burnes is a hard no in almost all cases. Trout, Betts, Degrom, etc...I'd consider it, but Kluber isn't in that category and none of those targets are realistic right now. Burnes and Hiura are going to be special players, they are in a tier well above any prospects or the other 2 SP. Peralta and Woodruff are more expendable in the right deal. Someone of Kluber's caliber might be the right deal, we'll see if it works out.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:03 PM Post
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Since 2014 his lowest WAR (according to fangraphs) is 5.1 with a high of 7.4 but you don't think we should give up anything for him besides our #2 prospect (who isn't rated in the top 100). You can't get a Cy Young caliber pitcher for multiple years (team controlled through 2021) without giving up something of value.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:04 PM Post
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I'd do Ray and Santana right now!

No way I move Burnes AND Peralta. In fact, I wouldn't move Burnes at all, and I'm not thrilled to let Peralta go either.

I enjoy the fact that we have 3 major league ready guys to anchor our rotation this year, trading them away, as a small market club is not wise.


Would you do Ray, Santana and Knebel for Kluber? I think that makes sense for both teams. Indians need relief help, and Knebel would slot in well there. Would suck to lose him as a Brewer fan, but I think I'd rather trade an ML reliever than one of the young starters.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:06 PM Post
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Since 2014 his lowest WAR (according to fangraphs) is 5.1 with a high of 7.4 but you don't think we should give up anything for him besides our #2 prospect (who isn't rated in the top 100). You can't get a Cy Young caliber pitcher for multiple years (team controlled through 2021) without giving up something of value.


Top prospect lists are for fans. GMs could care less. Ray is a young (24) 5-tool OF who was a very high pick and is finally living up to that potential. Value is high.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:09 PM Post
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He strikes out way too much to have as much value as you think he has.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:13 PM Post
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Someone familiar with what Indians are looking for in a deal for Corey Kluber tells me #Brewers could satisfy their needs. I'm just not sure how #Brewers would squeeze Kluber's $17 million salary into their budget. Seems to me they'd have to deal another salary away (Thames?).


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Someone familiar with what Indians are looking for in a deal for Corey Kluber tells me #Brewers could satisfy their needs. I'm just not sure how #Brewers would squeeze Kluber's $17 million salary into their budget. Seems to me they'd have to deal another salary away (Thames?).


Money would hardly seem as a problem. They are loaded with expendable guys they could trade to make space. Anderson and Thames being the main guys.

I would easily give up Peralta or Woodruff to make it happen, plus other decent pieces if that is all it takes is one of those two headline. I will roll the dice on Kluber staying healthy and not aging when it doesn't take Burnes or Hiura. Dude has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for half a decade.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:15 PM Post
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PDCBalla said:
He strikes out way too much to have as much value as you think he has.


Florial has struck out anywhere from 29 to 35 percent of the time in the last 3 seasons, a very similar K rate to Ray, while Ray has shown quite a bit more power. Verdugo has shown high contact but little power. Nearly every prospect has warts.

Kluber would be fun, but trading two MLB-ready starting pitchers for him I just think is cutting off their head despite their face.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:18 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/Haudricourt/status/ ... 5044120576

Indians needs this offseason are OF, OF, RP, OF, C, 1B and more OF. A package of Ray, Santana, Thames and Knebel for Kluber and Kipnis makes some sense.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:20 PM Post
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A package of Ray, Santana, Thames and Knebel for Kluber and Kipnis makes some sense.


For who? Just the Brewers? They would have to be mighty high on Ray and mighty high on Santana. The former no one was high on last offseason before he stunk up the joint.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 3:21 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
PDCBalla said:
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Someone familiar with what Indians are looking for in a deal for Corey Kluber tells me #Brewers could satisfy their needs. I'm just not sure how #Brewers would squeeze Kluber's $17 million salary into their budget. Seems to me they'd have to deal another salary away (Thames?).


Money would hardly seem as a problem. They are loaded with expendable guys they could trade to make space. Anderson and Thames being the main guys.


It's an obstacle, but you're right probably not a huge problem. Both guys have more value than their contracts. I know many are down on Thames, but he's put up good numbers when healthy and getting consistent at bats. He's better than quite a few DH's in the AL and could even be a candidate for a tanking team to give consistent AB and flip at the deadline...as he has the cheap option year.


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