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Posted: December 10, 2018, 5:54 PM Post
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Hiura +++ for three years of Kluber is obviously more than fair, I'm just not confident in our immediate win-now chances in 2019 to go out on a limb like that. Counting on a pitcher to remain elite through age 35 is always a huge risk.

Keeping our last bluechip positional prospect sets us up for sustained success as a small payroll team.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 5:55 PM Post
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The Dodgers are reportedly very interested in Kluber, and Alex Verdugo is someone the Tribe likes. Verdugo was #32 on MLB's Top 100 in 2018. High average guy who takes a lot of walks, doesn't strike out that much. Has hit .320+ at AAA over the last two years. He's major league ready, which would be perfect for Cleveland.

In the end, we have to beat other teams' offers as well as put together an attractive package.


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Posted: December 10, 2018, 6:27 PM Post
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The Dodgers are reportedly very interested in Kluber, and Alex Verdugo is someone the Tribe likes. Verdugo was #32 on MLB's Top 100 in 2018. High average guy who takes a lot of walks, doesn't strike out that much. Has hit .320+ at AAA over the last two years. He's major league ready, which would be perfect for Cleveland.

In the end, we have to beat other teams' offers as well as put together an attractive package.


If I’m Dodgers I sell off Puig or Kemp & insert Verdugo. I guess when money is endless you don’t need to think that way.

I still like Bauer better. Age & he continues to trend up each season. Whatever deal keeps Huira I’m good with


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 12:09 PM Post
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I'm starting to think too many teams are in on Kluber/Bauer...the return is going to price them out of Milwaukee. I feel like I've seen at least 8-10 teams have inquired on those guys.


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Posted: December 11, 2018, 12:53 PM Post
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Hiura +++ for three years of Kluber is obviously more than fair, I'm just not confident in our immediate win-now chances in 2019 to go out on a limb like that. Counting on a pitcher to remain elite through age 35 is always a huge risk.

Keeping our most-well regarded and advanced bluechip positional prospect sets us up for sustained success as a small payroll team.


Fixed your earlier statement - there are other blue chip positional prospects in the Brewers' system right now, they just haven't had the time to develop as professional players yet.

No way Hiura is getting traded by Stearns. If he makes a trade of impact using prospects, he will continue to utilize prospects/young players within the organization that he didn't draft.


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Posted: December 19, 2018, 5:24 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/10 ... 57185?s=21


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Posted: December 19, 2018, 6:14 PM Post
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If The Reds are going to offer Senzel and Trammell in a Kluber deal we have a hard time competing with that unless we add Huira which sounds like its not happening.


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If The Reds are going to offer Senzel and Trammell in a Kluber deal we have a hard time competing with that unless we add Huira which sounds like its not happening.


The article states that the Indians asked about Senzel and Trammell, not that the Reds were willing to offer both of them. I think if they were willing part with both, the trade would already be done.


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Posted: December 19, 2018, 7:09 PM Post
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Shocking development, the Indians like senzel. I also heard a rumor that the yankees like mike trout.

I think the Indians are selling at a really good time on him. The market is on fire and kluber has considerable risk of decline at some point in the next 3 years.


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Posted: December 20, 2018, 10:27 AM Post
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Shocking development, the Indians like senzel. I also heard a rumor that the yankees like mike trout.

I think the Indians are selling at a really good time on him. The market is on fire and kluber has considerable risk of decline at some point in the next 3 years.


At age 32, I have to agree with you in that Klubers best days are likely behind him. Maybe he puts together another solid season or two but I cant see him continuing to put up ridiculous numbers into his mid-30's. Especially after he looked gassed in the playoffs last year.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 4:07 PM Post
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Brewers still mentioned as a possible trade partner with Cleveland for Kluber, per Morosi

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 5:27 PM Post
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Here is a link to a MLBtraderumors.com article passing on the Morosi report:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/ ... dians.html

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"The Padres are among the teams discussing a trade for two-time AL Cy Young winner Corey Kluber with the Indians, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com. Morosi further tweets that several other NL clubs — the Dodgers, Reds, Phillies and Brewers — are also involved in Kluber talks to varying degrees. San Diego, he notes, is not believed to be any sort of favorite at the moment."

I gotta say that I really hope the Brewer don't pull the trigger here. Kluber has been excellent, however, i just don't see him keeping up the success in his mid 30's. Gotta believe the cost will be huge with the 3 years of control left.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 6:21 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/stat ... 24352?s=21

The Brewers, like most teams, have interest in trading for Corey Kluber. But to this point, the asking price has been too high. Unless it comes down, it is unlikely they will be significant players for his services.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 8:11 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/status/1078079701204324352?s=21

The Brewers, like most teams, have interest in trading for Corey Kluber. But to this point, the asking price has been too high. Unless it comes down, it is unlikely they will be significant players for his services.



In other words, Stearns is scared...too freaking scared to give up some PROSPECTS that may or may not be good for a CY young winner..scared money don't make money. Meanwhile, the Cardinals, Cubs, and even the Reds are getting better and DS makes game changing acquistions of Corey Spangenberg and Ben Gamel...World Series winning moves for sure!


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 8:49 PM Post
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This is exactly what I have been saying. Stearns and co. are scared to make the big move that can set them far and above the other teams in this division.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 8:54 PM Post
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Stearns traded 1/3 of the farm system for the MVP and another 1/3 of the system for acquisitions that helped the Brewers have the best record in the league and host game 7 of the NLCS. I don't think our GM has a problem with pulling the trigger. If he goes berserk trading the last 1/3 going all in on 2019 and the Cubs and Cardinals each catch fire and win 98 games, it could be a significant setback for the organization.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 9:05 PM Post
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He's ok with trading prospects......he just isn't ok with trading Burnes and Hiura.......and I'm thankful that he is running the team and not fans on a message board......


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 9:09 PM Post
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Stearns traded 1/3 of the farm system for the MVP and another 1/3 of the system for acquisitions that helped the Brewers have the best record in the league and host game 7 of the NLCS. I don't think our GM has a problem with pulling the trigger. If he goes berserk trading the last 1/3 going all in on 2019 and the Cubs and Cardinals each catch fire and win 98 games, it could be a significant setback for the organization.


He seems to be too scared to trade Hiura and/or Burnes though, and that is what is keeping him from making a game changing move. You have to give up something to get something. Those two MAY be great prospects or they may not be..no one knows. So what if you pass on a deal like this for Kluber(hypothetically) because you are too afraid to trade hiura and/or Burnes and are staking your future on those two, and what if they end up being the next Matt LaPorta and Jeff D'Amico?? My point is, there are NO guarantees they will end up being very good major leaguers. What I do know is Kluber is a PROVEN Cy young award winner that, barring injury will ONLY improve your team...moves like these are no brainers to me. You just can't be too afraid to pull the trigger and on these two particular guys, Stearns seems to be.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 9:20 PM Post
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I personally don’t see what everyone else sees with Hiura.. I don’t think he is that good personally.


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Posted: December 26, 2018, 9:32 PM Post
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I'd say 15 WAR is a pretty generous projection for the next three years of Kluber. That is 5 WAR a year & no injuries. There is a very realistic chance he provides less than that as he is getting older, age 33-35 seasons under contract. He also costs 52.5 million bucks.

If the Brewers internal projections have Burnes or Hiura producing more than 15 WAR over the next six seasons at a cost lower than 52.5 million (which I believe they probably do) then it would be sound reasoning & logic, not fear, which is driving any decision to not include one of them plus other prospects in a deal for Kluber.


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