LambeauLeap1250 WSSP


  
Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next  [ 130 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply

Mike Moustakas News

Author Message
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 15, 2019, 2:48 PM Post
Posts: 16
The only way I can see Moose getting 3+ years is if Philly misses on Machado and gets desperate and turns to Moustakas. Otherwise, I don’t think his other suitors (Mil, SD, LAA) would be willing to go past 2 years. Maybe San Diego


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 15, 2019, 2:59 PM Post
User avatar
Posts: 18263
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
trwi7 said:
The next time I listen to Bill Michaels for inside information will be the first. Especially about MLB or NBA.


Well, considering literally no info on these guys is coming out from anywhere, I guess we gotta take what we can get.


Wouldn't that be more reason to ignore what Michaels is saying? Like if he said it and then Rosenthal or even someone like Haudricourt picked up on that and heard it too, that would be one thing but Michaels said it and nobody has said anything else confirming it. So why would some MLB insider break this bit of news to Bill Michaels, who only talks about baseball when he can compare it to something in football?

Cards' fans wear jorts.


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 15, 2019, 3:18 PM Post
User avatar
Posts: 6720
trwi7 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
trwi7 said:
The next time I listen to Bill Michaels for inside information will be the first. Especially about MLB or NBA.


Well, considering literally no info on these guys is coming out from anywhere, I guess we gotta take what we can get.


Wouldn't that be more reason to ignore what Michaels is saying? Like if he said it and then Rosenthal or even someone like Haudricourt picked up on that and heard it too, that would be one thing but Michaels said it and nobody has said anything else confirming it. So why would some MLB insider break this bit of news to Bill Michaels, who only talks about baseball when he can compare it to something in football?


I don't deny that the guy is a doofus. The Brewers are a World Series contender coming off arguably the best season in their history, and the Bucks are arguably the best team in the NBA, yet the vast majority of his time is spent arguing about the Packers offseason plans. That said, I think he's too much of an idiot to make of a rumor that specific.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 6:24 AM Post
Posts: 11902
Mr Southpaw said:
PDCBalla said:
I'd love to bring in Moose if it means moving on from Thames. Once Keston comes up Moose can play opposite Jesus. Perfect scenario IMO


Agree. Just finding a buyer for Thames is hard.


No contending team would take Thames but a rebuilding team might and hope he has a hot half so they can flip him. Of course the Brewers would have to eat at least half of his remaining salary.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 10:10 AM Post
Posts: 4288
JohnBriggs12 said:
Mr Southpaw said:
Agree. Just finding a buyer for Thames is hard.


No contending team would take Thames but a rebuilding team might and hope he has a hot half so they can flip him. Of course the Brewers would have to eat at least half of his remaining salary.


Thames has one year and a player option.

This is one reason I think the Crew should roll with an Aguilar-Arcia-Shaw-Thames infield for at least the first month. Not only do they get that extra year of free agency with Hirua, but Thmes then could have a hot enough streak that someone will maybe send the Crew an Adam Lind-esque return around May 15 or so...


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 10:30 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 9499
clancyphile said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
Mr Southpaw said:
Agree. Just finding a buyer for Thames is hard.


No contending team would take Thames but a rebuilding team might and hope he has a hot half so they can flip him. Of course the Brewers would have to eat at least half of his remaining salary.


Thames has one year and a player option.

This is one reason I think the Crew should roll with an Aguilar-Arcia-Shaw-Thames infield for at least the first month. Not only do they get that extra year of free agency with Hirua, but Thmes then could have a hot enough streak that someone will maybe send the Crew an Adam Lind-esque return around May 15 or so...


So once again, you are suggesting that Jesus plays 3B for at least the first month of the season?

You must own a glue factory the way you beat dead horses around here...


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 3:39 PM Post
Posts: 4288
turborickey said:
clancyphile said:
Thames has one year and a player option.

This is one reason I think the Crew should roll with an Aguilar-Arcia-Shaw-Thames infield for at least the first month. Not only do they get that extra year of free agency with Hirua, but Thmes then could have a hot enough streak that someone will maybe send the Crew an Adam Lind-esque return around May 15 or so...


So once again, you are suggesting that Jesus plays 3B for at least the first month of the season?

You must own a glue factory the way you beat dead horses around here...


The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 4:07 PM Post
User avatar
Posts: 6720
clancyphile said:
turborickey said:
clancyphile said:
Thames has one year and a player option.

This is one reason I think the Crew should roll with an Aguilar-Arcia-Shaw-Thames infield for at least the first month. Not only do they get that extra year of free agency with Hirua, but Thmes then could have a hot enough streak that someone will maybe send the Crew an Adam Lind-esque return around May 15 or so...


So once again, you are suggesting that Jesus plays 3B for at least the first month of the season?

You must own a glue factory the way you beat dead horses around here...


The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


You platoon Aguilar and Thames. That's it. Because what you are proposing I very much doubt will happen. This is a World Series-contending team. They have no business playing with the lineup, and putting out a horrible defense just to showcase guys for a potential deal.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 4:38 PM Post
Posts: 554
Location: Milwaukee
While Aguilar is capable of handling 3b a handful of times during the season if needed you don't want him out there nightly for 4-6wks. If the Brewers start with 12 arms due to the way the schedule is designed then they'll have Thames, Gamel, Spangenberg, Perez, Pina. If they go with 13 arms then Gamel or Spangenberg can be optioned. Thames could still be traded during spring, especially if another team suffers an injury. His bat is too big to just cut him and eat money.

Regarding Moose, I'd be open to signing him to a 1yr deal as his bat/glove are worse than Shaw and his bat is worse than what Hiura will be come 2020 so I wouldn't want him beyond 2019. Between 2b/3b/1b having some combo of Shaw, Moose, Aguilar and Hiura every night would be great to see.

And the best part of all of this is Perez gets ever fewer PAs. He lost 125 PA from 2017 to 2018 and this would take even more away. Then factor in Dubon coming up. The writing is on the wall for 2019 to be the last year Perez is here.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 10:23 PM Post
Posts: 1710
Shoring up 2B/SS seems an obvious. Perhaps that will be Moose, moving Shaw to 2B. Who knows what kind of production we will see there the first part of the year, as is. With Hiura in the wings, a one year deal for a good, not fringe MLB player seems to be the play. I mean, it doesn't make sense to get Grandall on a one year deal and not plug another obvious, fixable hole.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 10:47 PM Post
Posts: 213
clancyphile said:
The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


If the choice here is either trying to get a good return for Thames, or putting out the lineup likely to win the most games for a team that has WS aspirations, then surely it's not even a close decision?


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 16, 2019, 11:48 PM Post
Posts: 4288
anglotiger said:
clancyphile said:
The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


If the choice here is either trying to get a good return for Thames, or putting out the lineup likely to win the most games for a team that has WS aspirations, then surely it's not even a close decision?


Aguilar/Shaw/Thames puts the best offense in the lineup, no question about it. No black holes (other than the risk of Arcia replicating the first half of 2018) aside from the pitcher.

cf: Cain
rf: Yelich
lf: Braun
2b: Shaw
3b: Aguilar
c: Grandal
1b: Thames
ss: Arcia

Where is the weak link in that lineup?


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 12:00 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 9499
[rolling eyes]


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 8:27 AM Post
Posts: 1519
Location: Madison, WI
Sounds like the Angels are in pretty heavy now. I think that's the best fit for Moustakas. Still scratching my head over their decision to sign Cozart to all that money and then move him to third. But it appears they currently have David Fletcher scheduled to play 2B, and he was more of a "so-so" prospect who had projected to be a utility player. Signing Moustakas and moving Cozart to 2B to get more of an impact with his glove seems like an ideal situation.

Payroll still could be an issue. The last couple of years they've had the payroll around 166 million and they are already at 170 million. No clue as to how much higher they'd want to go. With the luxury tax at 206 million, they won't need to worry about that aspect of it.


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 8:34 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 6720
clancyphile said:
anglotiger said:
clancyphile said:
The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


If the choice here is either trying to get a good return for Thames, or putting out the lineup likely to win the most games for a team that has WS aspirations, then surely it's not even a close decision?


Aguilar/Shaw/Thames puts the best offense in the lineup, no question about it. No black holes (other than the risk of Arcia replicating the first half of 2018) aside from the pitcher.

cf: Cain
rf: Yelich
lf: Braun
2b: Shaw
3b: Aguilar
c: Grandal
1b: Thames
ss: Arcia

Where is the weak link in that lineup?


Defense. Defense is the weak link. And you are not going to admit it, but defense does matter.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 8:35 AM Post
Posts: 554
Location: Milwaukee
clancyphile said:
anglotiger said:
clancyphile said:
The thing is... if the Crew wants a good return for Thames, he has to be a very big run producer. That requires playing time. You can't really sit Shaw or Aguilar, they're also both good.

So, how else to get all three in the lineup on a regular basis?


If the choice here is either trying to get a good return for Thames, or putting out the lineup likely to win the most games for a team that has WS aspirations, then surely it's not even a close decision?


Aguilar/Shaw/Thames puts the best offense in the lineup, no question about it. No black holes (other than the risk of Arcia replicating the first half of 2018) aside from the pitcher.

cf: Cain
rf: Yelich
lf: Braun
2b: Shaw
3b: Aguilar
c: Grandal
1b: Thames
ss: Arcia

Where is the weak link in that lineup?

To answer your question I'd personally say there isn't one. But I'll ask a follow up question. Where is the weak link in the defense and how weak is that link? Both sides of the ball matter, which goes to my point above about Perez. People say he has great value but only discuss his defense in this regard completely ignoring his 80 OPS+ offense every year.

Not only would Moose be a significant upgrade to Aguilar defensively that would also slide Aguilar back to 1b where he's definitely a better defensive 1b than Thames. There's a chain reaction when you move players around in your lineup above it's not just one spot that's affected. The same applies to your lineup if we don't add Moose and still see Spangenberg/Perez at 2b. It keeps Shaw at 3b (massive upgrade to Aguilar defensively), Aguilar at 1b and even better defense between the platoon at 2b than what Shaw would provide there. Sure you take a hit on the platoon vs Thames' bat but does that offset the loss in defense with the moving parts? No. If Aguilar was a legitimate option at 3b then he'd already be there this year with Shaw at 2b but that's not the case.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 9:20 AM Post
Posts: 8
Seriously - Thames. 219 ave
Shaw 241
Arcia 236
Grandal 241
If we sign moose back 251 ave.
I see alot of holes. Can live with Arcia because of his above average defense
But to sign moose back and then have Shaw at second doesn't instill alot of
confidence in that lineup. To many below average hitters.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 9:31 AM Post
Posts: 554
Location: Milwaukee
mtsportsfan said:
Seriously - Thames. 219 ave
Shaw 241
Arcia 236
Grandal 241
If we sign moose back 251 ave.
I see alot of holes. Can live with Arcia because of his above average defense
But to sign moose back and then have Shaw at second doesn't instill alot of
confidence in that lineup. To many below average hitters.

Dude, you (should) know that's a brutal argument. They're all good hitters (OPS+ and other metrics, not to mention eyeballs, confirms this) who get on base at a good clip and hit for power. Arcia's been the only sub-par offensive performer but he's shown flashes of being solid. He's a borderline AS when his bat is going given his defense is great and *better* than above average.


 Top
 
Online  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 9:50 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 6720
mtsportsfan said:
Seriously - Thames. 219 ave
Shaw 241
Arcia 236
Grandal 241
If we sign moose back 251 ave.
I see alot of holes. Can live with Arcia because of his above average defense
But to sign moose back and then have Shaw at second doesn't instill alot of
confidence in that lineup. To many below average hitters.


OK, if that is your argument, what is the solution? Personally, I think that Moose is going to provide more to this lineup than a platoon of Perez and Spangenberg. Also, if Perez is playing in a platoon, it removes his value as a versatile jack-of-all-trades.

I'm ok with Moose coming back. I'd be very happy with Marwin Gonzalez as well.


 Top
 
Offline  Re: Mike Moustakas News
Posted: February 17, 2019, 9:52 AM Post
Posts: 8
I guess I was referring to what part would be the weak link. Not any players mentioned would scare me on a consistent basis.
Just don't need to see us sign moose, would rather leave Shaw at third and find someone to play second . Or sign moose and trade Shaw, one or the other , I know that batting average isn't the tell all , but it still can't be ignored.
As for eyeball test, I guess people can see what they want. To me Thames doesn't pass. Moose and Shaw offer a good argument. Just saying we have to many below .251 hitters


 Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next  [ 130 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply
  


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: BallFour, gebc1997, LouisEly, PDCBalla and 6 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search this forum (phpBB search):
Jump to:  
Search entire board (Google search):
Google
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Test