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Offline  Josh Harrison
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Posted: November 25, 2018, 9:35 PM Post
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Let me preface the conversation by saying I am one who loves Hernan Perez in the super utility role. He does what a 25th man should do and if the Brewers had someone like him in 2008 or 2011 (I so wanted Jerry Hairston, Jr. back then) the outcome of those season may have been different.

BUt, the problem comes when Perez has to play extended time at a position because of injury or lack of production form others. For that, some on this board seem to think he needs to be replaced. If he needs to replaced, who would be able to fit his versatility, but may be better?

My answer is Josh Harrison.

He plays competent to plus defense in multiple positions, up until last year had a bit better OBP than Perez, and I would trust him to play a consistent role at 2B to bridge the gap to Hiura if needed.

The pirates turned down a 10.5 million option on Harrison. Perez is predicted to make 2.7 million in arbitration this year. How much is the slight improvement in batting worth?

Outside of Marwin Gonzalez who will be cost prohibitive, I don't see any option for the role Perez plays besides Harrison.

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Posted: November 25, 2018, 9:45 PM Post
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ougiqbxy said:
Outside of Marwin Gonzalez who will be cost prohibitive, I don't see any option for the role Perez plays besides Harrison.

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Posted: November 25, 2018, 9:50 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
ougiqbxy said:
Outside of Marwin Gonzalez who will be cost prohibitive, I don't see any option for the role Perez plays besides Harrison.

Thoughts?


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That thread is for 2b/3b options. I am looking at it as a super utility multi-positional option that Hernan carries. While some over-lapping/redundancy between that thread and this, it is different.


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Posted: November 25, 2018, 10:30 PM Post
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Counterpoint: Outside of one fluke year Josh Harrison has sucked and isn't worth the money it would cost to sign him.

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Posted: November 26, 2018, 12:13 AM Post
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At first blush, I like the idea of Josh Harrison. However...

If Josh Harrison were only being paid as a super-utility guy like Hernan Perez, I think he'd be a nice upgrade (career: 20 points better BA & 30 points better OBP). Unfortunately Harrison's usually been more of a starter, even though he can play multiple positions a la Ben Zobrist (or, on a lesser level, Logan Forsythe), so he's definitely in a different pay grade.

Given the latter point, I'm not sure he's a practical super-utility option for us (or even interested in a roving or bench-based role). I'm also not sure he'd be an ideal option for us at 2B cost/benefit- & risk/reward-wise, even compared to Schoop.


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Posted: November 26, 2018, 7:53 AM Post
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ougiqbxy said:
Outside of Marwin Gonzalez who will be cost prohibitive, I don't see any option for the role Perez plays besides Harrison.

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Posted: November 26, 2018, 9:41 AM Post
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Brewers Rule 5'ing Dodger prospect Drew Jackson for competition for Perez's roster spot.

It would be a long-shot but is also a pretty minimal investment.

But I very much doubt the Brewers will look to replace Perez. Counsell seems to love him, definitely seems to think he has a much better bat than he actually has.


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Posted: November 26, 2018, 2:20 PM Post
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for the last couple years I have been hoping the crew could get josh....I think he is a winner.....is always fired up and seems like he would fit in great with the guys we have.....I am sure we could get him for about 5 mil a year for 3 yrs.....


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Offline  Josh Harrison
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Posted: January 10, 2019, 6:22 PM Post
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Would one year, 3 million with a game started bonus get it done? $10,000 per start? If he starts 100 games he gets an extra million.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 7:15 PM Post
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Is Harrison any better than Perez? Seriously?

I think Harrison sucks. He may be a good locker room guy and well liked, but is he going to put wins up for us?

Hard pass, no interest.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 7:50 PM Post
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turborickey said:
Is Harrison any better than Perez? Seriously?

I think Harrison sucks. He may be a good locker room guy and well liked, but is he going to put wins up for us?

Hard pass, no interest.



This is where I'm at with him too. They are pretty much the same player. Harrison prolly makes a little better contact and Hernan is probably a more versatile and reliable defender all around--and is younger. Give me a switch hitter like Cabrera or Solarte, anyway.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 7:52 PM Post
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trwi7 said:
Counterpoint: Outside of one fluke year Josh Harrison has sucked and isn't worth the money it would cost to sign him.


Could say the same about Marwin Gonzalez.

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Posted: January 10, 2019, 8:53 PM Post
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3and2Fastball said:
ougiqbxy said:
Outside of Marwin Gonzalez who will be cost prohibitive, I don't see any option for the role Perez plays besides Harrison.

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Mauricio Dubon.

Stearns has said Dubon won't be starting the season in the majors. Nor will Hiura.

I guess things could change, but they seem to want to wait on those guys at this time.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 10:21 PM Post
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Not interested.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 11:07 PM Post
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homer said:
trwi7 said:
Counterpoint: Outside of one fluke year Josh Harrison has sucked and isn't worth the money it would cost to sign him.


Could say the same about Marwin Gonzalez.


This would be a valid point if I was banging the drum for Gonzalez but I'm not, so I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make.

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Posted: January 11, 2019, 9:11 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
homer said:
trwi7 said:
Counterpoint: Outside of one fluke year Josh Harrison has sucked and isn't worth the money it would cost to sign him.


Could say the same about Marwin Gonzalez.


This would be a valid point if I was banging the drum for Gonzalez but I'm not, so I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make.


I was kind of agreeing with you and also bringing in Gonzalez since others have been mentioning him. Sorry wasn't so clear.

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Posted: January 11, 2019, 9:32 AM Post
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Yup, I had Marwin in fantasy this year so I watched closely. He was atrocious the first half of the year. Imagine the outrage if come mid July he's hitting .220/300 like he was last year while on a multi year deal above 10 mil. My guess is his 2017 will be a huge outlier and he's more like a 260/315 guy the next couple years. Still with that versatility every team would want but you shouldn't be planning on legit top level hitting like he did in 2017 so the price probably becomes tough to justify.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 9:45 AM Post
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But even if you exclude his monster 2017, he's basically been at or above a .700 OPS every other year of his career since 2013. I haven't looked recently to see what our 2B output was in 2017 aggregated, but I'd be surprised if it surpassed that number offensively. Add in what would be good defense at 2B, I'd think he'd be a solid acquisition even if he never hits like his outlier year again.

Harrison is a different story, if for no other reason than he's older and less likely to sustain/rebound from a bad 2018.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 9:54 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
But even if you exclude his monster 2017, he's basically been at or above a .700 OPS every other year of his career since 2013. I haven't looked recently to see what our 2B output was in 2017 aggregated, but I'd be surprised if it surpassed that number offensively. Add in what would be good defense at 2B, I'd think he'd be a solid acquisition even if he never hits like his outlier year again.

Harrison is a different story, if for no other reason than he's older and less likely to sustain/rebound from a bad 2018.


The Spangy/Perez platoon would far surpass that .700-.725ish. Not sure why you would spend significant money on Marwin. I think if they add another 2B/3B it either needs to be a small salary depth move or get someone who is a definite improvement. Marwin seems to be in the middle.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 9:55 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
But even if you exclude his monster 2017, he's basically been at or above a .700 OPS every other year of his career since 2013. I haven't looked recently to see what our 2B output was in 2017 aggregated, but I'd be surprised if it surpassed that number offensively. Add in what would be good defense at 2B, I'd think he'd be a solid acquisition even if he never hits like his outlier year again.

Harrison is a different story, if for no other reason than he's older and less likely to sustain/rebound from a bad 2018.


Yea that's fine. But at 3/45ish? Who knows what he'll get, but tough to justify that kind of money for just ok/fine.


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