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Posted: January 12, 2019, 11:34 AM Post
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Now that we have catcher figured out, we really only have two areas that could need an upgrade. Let's just assume we have about 10 million dollars available to spend this off-season. How would you spend it? (I know I have "or" in the title but I guess you could sign two guys for 10 million)

For me? After seeing some of the guys I like off the board, I would probably lean towards adding another pitcher right now. A Spangenberg/Perez platoon could put up decent numbers. You have Hiura and Dubon in the minors and it is reasonable that one of them will be ready to go this season if needed.

As much as I didn't really like the signing last season, offer Miley a one year, 8 million dollar deal and see if he goes for it. (He was projected to get 2 years, 12 million)


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 11:54 AM Post
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The clearest upgrade within our budget (if we have any budget left at all) would be a 2B/utility guy like Asdrubal Cabrera.

No starting pitcher under $10 million is going to be a clear upgrade over our internal options. Hard pass on Miley for me, as much as I loved watching him last year when we caught lightning in a bottle.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 12:26 PM Post
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SRB said:
The clearest upgrade within our budget (if we have any budget left at all) would be a 2B/utility guy like Asdrubal Cabrera.


A platoon would likely put up similar numbers than Cabrera with better defense. Although I would definitely take Cabrera over Harrison. No idea what Cabrera is looking for in terms of a contract.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 12:30 PM Post
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Cabrera would be okay. Not too exciting, but he's actually had a pretty nice, underrated career. I imagine we could hide his defensive deficiencies better than most. And I would like having 2 switch hitters in the regular lineup.

Wonder what the Orioles would want for Jonathan Villar? [smile]


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 12:45 PM Post
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wallus said:
SRB said:
The clearest upgrade within our budget (if we have any budget left at all) would be a 2B/utility guy like Asdrubal Cabrera.


A platoon would likely put up similar numbers than Cabrera with better defense. Although I would definitely take Cabrera over Harrison. No idea what Cabrera is looking for in terms of a contract.


If we're platooning Spangenberg/Perez at 2B, then Shaw is starting every single game against LHP. Cabrera brings much better offense and allows Perez to play elsewhere.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 12:50 PM Post
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SRB said:
The clearest upgrade within our budget (if we have any budget left at all) would be a 2B/utility guy like Asdrubal Cabrera.

No starting pitcher under $10 million is going to be a clear upgrade over our internal options. Hard pass on Miley for me, as much as I loved watching him last year when we caught lightning in a bottle.


Agreed on Asdrubal. Not exciting but a FA for less than 10 mil I guess won't be. He fits the needs.

If it's not him then, I might switch to a pitcher. I also like Derek Holland and Justin Wilson, though neither of those are clear upgrades.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 1:12 PM Post
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I don't want Cabrera's hack defense anywhere near the Brewers' infield. He makes Shaw look like a Gold Glover there.


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I don't want Cabrera's hack defense anywhere near the Brewers' infield. He makes Shaw look like a Gold Glover there.


Disagree. He's not a great shortstop at this point in his career, but I don't get the sense that he has terrible defense at 3B or 2B.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 1:50 PM Post
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SRB said:
wallus said:
SRB said:
The clearest upgrade within our budget (if we have any budget left at all) would be a 2B/utility guy like Asdrubal Cabrera.


A platoon would likely put up similar numbers than Cabrera with better defense. Although I would definitely take Cabrera over Harrison. No idea what Cabrera is looking for in terms of a contract.


If we're platooning Spangenberg/Perez at 2B, then Shaw is starting every single game against LHP. Cabrera brings much better offense and allows Perez to play elsewhere.


This is the key to our next pickup. Our lineup could use an upgrade at 2B and we were very vulnerable against LHP in the playoffs. Getting a switch hitter or a RH bat to start at 2B would fill both those holes at once.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 1:58 PM Post
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https://www.amazinavenue.com/2017/10/31 ... econd-2018

Cabrera's range has been decreasing for several years now, to the point now where he's a liability wherever you try to hide him on defense. Granted the Brewers can likely mitigate some of that deficiency through shifting, but I wouldn't feel comfortable handing him 2B on a World Series contender, and if the plan is to eventually transition him to a utility role, you typically want a strong defender for that. I grant you that the bat is nice, but that poor defense scares the heck out of me.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 4:50 PM Post
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Probably neither. Just pocket the money until an obvious upgrade like Cain/Grandal or a potential steal like Chacin comes along. If they do have any payroll flexibility, there's no rush to use it just because you can. You often don't actually get any better that way. They'll find a way to use it eventually.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 4:59 PM Post
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Probably neither. Just pocket the money until an obvious upgrade like Cain/Grandal or a potential steal like Chacin comes along. If they do have any payroll flexibility, there's no rush to use it just because you can. You often don't actually get any better that way. They'll find a way to use it eventually.

Sure in the off-season you can use money to acquire talent, but during the season their isn’t a very good pool of FA that you would go after so you’re using player capital to acquire talent. I don’t like Moustakas as an option as it doesn’t address our need for a 2B/3B option to platoon with Shaw. I would like to see the Brewers sign Gonzalez or Cabrera or maybe Miley if it’s a friendly deal. Outside of those options, I agree there isn’t much else that is bang for the buck, so save the money.

JosephC said:
Stearns probably had no interest in getting a C because the Brewers need a C. It makes much more sense to trade for 3B when it's not needed, and then move the other 3B to 2B, then trade for a 2B, but since the 3B is now at 2B, then the new 2B goes to SS


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 6:39 PM Post
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Sure in the off-season you can use money to acquire talent, but during the season their isn’t a very good pool of FA that you would go after so you’re using player capital to acquire talent.


That's not entirely true. You often don't have to give up any prospects of consequence to trade for guys whose teams are just trying to unload their salary, and those guys are exactly the type of guys whom more impulsive teams foolishly signed while the Brewers held out for better opportunities.

I don't care for any of the options out there except maybe Gonzalez, or Miley if he's cheap. Grandal was the prize for this team. Otherwise I'm waiting. Their window is not closing any time soon IMO.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 6:43 PM Post
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I would lean toward a starting pitcher. Miley and Gio would be attractive options although I’m not quite sure why Gio won’t get a multi year deal if Lance Lynn, Mike Fiers, and Annibal Sanchez did.

Miley feels like a one year deal along the lines of the Trevor Cahill contract.

Edit: I might add Clay Buchholz to the list. I haven’t read up on what made him successful in about 100IP, but his DRA- was about 85 which is pretty darn good. He’s probably in that 1 year for just under $10mm range too.


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Posted: January 12, 2019, 6:56 PM Post
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I would lean toward a starting pitcher. Miley and Gio would be attractive options although I’m not quite sure why Gio won’t get a multi year deal if Lance Lynn, Mike Fiers, and Annibal Sanchez did.

Miley feels like a one year deal along the lines of the Trevor Cahill contract.

Edit: I might add Clay Buchholz to the list. I haven’t read up on what made him successful in about 100IP, but his DRA- was about 85 which is pretty darn good. He’s probably in that 1 year for just under $10mm range too.


Buchholz is a sneaky good option. His FB, CT and CH were all plus pitches a year ago.


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Posted: January 14, 2019, 6:46 AM Post
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2nd Base or Pitcher?


I'd say pitcher. We are pretty much covered for 2B with Hiura, Dubon, Perez and Spangenberg.

Hopeful we can add another very good pitcher to the roster. Pitching has to continue to be the strength of this team.


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Posted: January 14, 2019, 6:57 AM Post
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I'd look for another "under the radar" signing of a pitcher like Chacin, who will make us all scratch our heads and then turn out to be great like Chacin or Miley....

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: January 14, 2019, 7:17 AM Post
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Wade Miley at 2/12


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Posted: January 14, 2019, 7:57 AM Post
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I think Miley and Bucholz are both lookin at Chacin style contracts, and I'm sure the brewers could find 7.5 million for one of them per year.

I expect Cabrera/Panik/Harrison and a pitcher like one of those guys. None of these players required taking a stab at early in the offseason, so why not just keep waiting until the prices are at their lowest.


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Posted: January 14, 2019, 8:12 AM Post
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I think you guys are right an arm will be added and it be like that Chacin or Miley signing


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