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Posted: January 23, 2019, 1:39 PM Post
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Count me out on Greinke and his 3 years and $104.5 million remaining on his contract. While the contract alone is not desirable, I do not enjoy his personality or his perspectives on things. Rooting for him would be akin to having had Josh McDaniels as the Packers HC. Tolerable when winning, insufferable when not.


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I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


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I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.

Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith


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Posted: January 24, 2019, 12:35 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
NievesNoNO said:
I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.


Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith



Well I'd be happy if Jeff Bezos would just take 90 pct off everything I ordered from Amazon...but I think just like Mark A might have something to say about adding ANOTHER 34 million dollars to this payroll, Bezos may have a problem with this.

Also...I don't think this serves the D-backs. The Brewers weren't looking to give up prospects for someone to just take Braun when were started our rebuild. I think it makes far more sense to not make this trade, but if it DID happen, I think the D-backs would rather eat some money and get something back than actually give away prospects which only delays they're rebuilding. Especially one of their top young prospects in Smith, the guy who's likey slated to take over for Goldschmidt, Yerzy's a catching prospect that has a big upside and Young is an MLB ready lefty.

This makes very little sense for either team. I have a pet peeve with people who speak in absolutes, but I'm ALMOST positive this wouldn't happen. This totally hamstrings the Brewers the next 3 years while they have Yelich in his prime and Cain at the end of his from doing anything without dumping salary. And while you'll probably respond by saying Braun's contract will be gone in 2 years, the young guys on the Brewers and their raises through arbitration will negate those savings.

Unless the Brewers are going to be pushing their payroll up to the 170 million region...which I find pretty unlikely(about as Likely as the Angels waive Trout after a poor opening month)...this seems totally unrealistic other than on a video game where you don't have to worry about real life finances.


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Posted: January 24, 2019, 12:43 AM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Count me out on Greinke and his 3 years and $104.5 million remaining on his contract. While the contract alone is not desirable, I do not enjoy his personality or his perspectives on things. Rooting for him would be akin to having had Josh McDaniels as the Packers HC. Tolerable when winning, insufferable when not.



Well I think virtually everyone is out on the contract as it stands. I believe this is a complete non-starter unless the D-backs want to send at least 40 million along with Greinke....and probably more.

As for his personality, I think that's a bit of a cheap shot. I think it's widely accepted that he lands somewhere on the "spectrum" without playing psychologist.

That said, I actually find him refreshing. He doesn't suffer fools, says what's on his mind and is a pretty fierce competitor who has evolved from a dominant power pitcher, to a Maddux-esque control pitcher with very good secondary stuff.

One thing that has been overlooked a touch is the fact that he's probably not as good as his numbers suggested last year and we should expect something of a regression from him and he seemed to benefit from a bit of good luck.


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I'm starting to doubt the credibility of the obnoxious Twitter troll who "broke" this rumor [embarassed]


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He still said he waiting for the move too


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I'm starting to doubt the credibility of the obnoxious Twitter troll who "broke" this rumor [embarassed]


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LOL these type of guys that seem to be attention seekers.


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OnTheBlack said:
clancyphile said:
NievesNoNO said:
I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.


Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith



Well I'd be happy if Jeff Bezos would just take 90 pct off everything I ordered from Amazon...but I think just like Mark A might have something to say about adding ANOTHER 34 million dollars to this payroll, Bezos may have a problem with this.

Also...I don't think this serves the D-backs. The Brewers weren't looking to give up prospects for someone to just take Braun when were started our rebuild. I think it makes far more sense to not make this trade, but if it DID happen, I think the D-backs would rather eat some money and get something back than actually give away prospects which only delays they're rebuilding. Especially one of their top young prospects in Smith, the guy who's likey slated to take over for Goldschmidt, Yerzy's a catching prospect that has a big upside and Young is an MLB ready lefty.

This makes very little sense for either team. I have a pet peeve with people who speak in absolutes, but I'm ALMOST positive this wouldn't happen. This totally hamstrings the Brewers the next 3 years while they have Yelich in his prime and Cain at the end of his from doing anything without dumping salary. And while you'll probably respond by saying Braun's contract will be gone in 2 years, the young guys on the Brewers and their raises through arbitration will negate those savings.

Unless the Brewers are going to be pushing their payroll up to the 170 million region...which I find pretty unlikely(about as Likely as the Angels waive Trout after a poor opening month)...this seems totally unrealistic other than on a video game where you don't have to worry about real life finances.


Well, the D-Backs can either fork over money or fork over prospects to get rid of Greinke's contract. I'd rather have the prospects. If the Crew gets top prospects and Greinke's contract, the financial hit is mitigated. But the hit isn't as big as some think.

Plus, a bit of Greinke's money ($62.5 million of the original $206 million) is deferred to the 2022-2026 timeframe. That means the Crew is paying about $24 million each of those years.

So, the 2019-2021 salary comes to about $25 million a year. A lot, but I proposed dealing Anderson and Albers. Their 2019 salaries come to $9 million. So that is off the board. Anderson also had an $8.5 million team option for 2020 off the books and a $9.5 million team option for 2021 off the books. In 2021, Braun's deal is off the books as well if he doesn't exercise a $15 million mutual option.

That takes the net salaries for 2019 and 2020 to $16 million and $16.5 million, respectively. The 2021 salary could be covered by Braun not taking the mutual option and Anderson's 2021 team option.

Then, from 2022 to 2026, the Crew gives Greinke what amounts to roughly $6.5 million a year.

So, yeah, I'd tell Stearns to take the full contract, and see what prospects he can get in return.

It's almost a no-lose scenario.


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It sound nice but think the guy who posted it on twitter is having an early April fools


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Plus, a bit of Greinke's money ($62.5 million of the original $206 million) is deferred to the 2022-2026 timeframe. That means the Crew is paying about $24 million each of those years.



Clancy, I think you're likely mistaken. The Brewers wouldn't logically be on the hook for the first 3 years of the deferred money. Those years are Dbacks responsibility unless they asked us to cover it.


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Posted: January 26, 2019, 2:11 AM Post
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clancyphile said:
OnTheBlack said:
clancyphile said:

I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.


Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith



Well I'd be happy if Jeff Bezos would just take 90 pct off everything I ordered from Amazon...but I think just like Mark A might have something to say about adding ANOTHER 34 million dollars to this payroll, Bezos may have a problem with this.

Also...I don't think this serves the D-backs. The Brewers weren't looking to give up prospects for someone to just take Braun when were started our rebuild. I think it makes far more sense to not make this trade, but if it DID happen, I think the D-backs would rather eat some money and get something back than actually give away prospects which only delays they're rebuilding. Especially one of their top young prospects in Smith, the guy who's likey slated to take over for Goldschmidt, Yerzy's a catching prospect that has a big upside and Young is an MLB ready lefty.

This makes very little sense for either team. I have a pet peeve with people who speak in absolutes, but I'm ALMOST positive this wouldn't happen. This totally hamstrings the Brewers the next 3 years while they have Yelich in his prime and Cain at the end of his from doing anything without dumping salary. And while you'll probably respond by saying Braun's contract will be gone in 2 years, the young guys on the Brewers and their raises through arbitration will negate those savings.

Unless the Brewers are going to be pushing their payroll up to the 170 million region...which I find pretty unlikely(about as Likely as the Angels waive Trout after a poor opening month)...this seems totally unrealistic other than on a video game where you don't have to worry about real life finances.


Well, the D-Backs can either fork over money or fork over prospects to get rid of Greinke's contract. I'd rather have the prospects. If the Crew gets top prospects and Greinke's contract, the financial hit is mitigated. But the hit isn't as big as some think.

Plus, a bit of Greinke's money ($62.5 million of the original $206 million) is deferred to the 2022-2026 timeframe. That means the Crew is paying about $24 million each of those years.

So, the 2019-2021 salary comes to about $25 million a year. A lot, but I proposed dealing Anderson and Albers. Their 2019 salaries come to $9 million. So that is off the board. Anderson also had an $8.5 million team option for 2020 off the books and a $9.5 million team option for 2021 off the books. In 2021, Braun's deal is off the books as well if he doesn't exercise a $15 million mutual option.

That takes the net salaries for 2019 and 2020 to $16 million and $16.5 million, respectively. The 2021 salary could be covered by Braun not taking the mutual option and Anderson's 2021 team option.


Then, from 2022 to 2026, the Crew gives Greinke what amounts to roughly $6.5 million a year.

So, yeah, I'd tell Stearns to take the full contract, and see what prospects he can get in return.

It's almost a no-lose scenario.



You didn't even bother reading my post, did you?

I literally said,
And while you'll probably respond by saying Braun's contract will be gone in 2 years, the young guys on the Brewers and their raises through arbitration will negate those savings.


It's not a "no-lose" scenario, Grienke is 35 years old and was the recipient of good luck last year, his hard hit pct was WAY up from recent seasons.

So what happens if Grienke loses another MPH on his fastball, is sitting at ~88 MPH, that hard hit rate either stays the same or even goes up a bit more and his BABIP goes from the .272 it was last year to the ~.300 or so it has been more of his career?

Now you're paying 3 years 104 million for a 35-37 year old pitcher on a small market team in the middle of it's window to compete and you don't have the resources to add anyone else over that period of time and likely have to let a couple guys go. That's a potential loss.

I do still think Greinke is going to be a good pitcher for a few years, but I can't fathom how you trade for a guy with an AAV of 34.5 per year and conclude that's a "no-lose" scenario.


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DHonks said:
clancyphile said:


Plus, a bit of Greinke's money ($62.5 million of the original $206 million) is deferred to the 2022-2026 timeframe. That means the Crew is paying about $24 million each of those years.



Clancy, I think you're likely mistaken. The Brewers wouldn't logically be on the hook for the first 3 years of the deferred money. Those years are Dbacks responsibility unless they asked us to cover it.


I did divvy that up, based on the details of Greinke's contract at https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/arizona-dia ... einke-407/ - but I double-checked.

The $62.5 million is deferred over the six years. I'm going to assume $10.5 million deferred from 2019, and $11 million for 2020 and 2021. I am assuming that the first three years had $10 million deferred each.

2019 - the AAV is 34.5 million. The bonus, I assume, has already been paid, so we're really looking at $31.5 million. The deferred salary puts the Crew as owing $21 million. Since I am sending Anderson and Albers to Arizona, that's $9 million off the books in 2019 - so the net increase is actually at $12 million.

2020 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's team option (which I assume would be picked up - especially if he rebounded from 2018) is $8.5 million. Net increase in payroll is $12.5 million.

2021 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's option in 2021 is for $9.5 million. That puts the net increase down to $11.5 million.

2022-2026, the Brewers owe $32.5 million in deferred salary over those five years - or $6.5 million a year.

I am not saying Greinke isn't expensive. But compared to what the Crew would already be spending with arby increases, etc., the deal is not outrageous. Plus, if the Crew can pull off a good holdup in terms of prospects in exchange for taking the entire deal off Arizona's hands... they can mitigate the arby raise hits by dealing Pina/Aguilar, and replacing with Yerzy and Smith.

I think the Crew gets no worse than Anderson 2018 with Greinke, but more likely, it's something akin to the Anderson of 2017 for 2019 and 2020.

And if the D-Backs don't give up prospects, they'll give up cash. Maybe they just take up all the deferred money.

But when you think of the value Greinke will add, not just to the numbers, but also as someone who could be an example for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta... I think it's worth the money. This isn't going to be a Matt Garza type of situation. Greinke seemed to like Milwaukee when he was last here.


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clancyphile said:
NievesNoNO said:
I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.

Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith


If I'm the Diamondbacks, I wouldn't even counter that offer. I'd take it just "as is" in about 1 nanosecond. Only giving up Smith while not having to eat any of Greinke's salary (unless you want to count the 2.5 million owed to Albers which would be a fair assessment) and getting an immediate MLB arm to replace him in the rotation, I'd take that no problem. This would be a good, solid trade for Arizona.


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JosephC said:
clancyphile said:
NievesNoNO said:
I'm not sure that the contract makes Greinke a match. I will say that his personality always made me think once he lost his velocity or got a big payday that he would just kind of coast or call it a career. His been quite the opposite of that. He's managed to lose velocity on his fastball just about every year but has managed to perfect his pitching craft to the point where if you just looked at the stats and some peripherals you'd have a hard time distinguishing him now from his decade younger self. I think his performance at least should be solid for the next 3 seasons yet.


I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.

Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith


If I'm the Diamondbacks, I wouldn't even counter that offer. I'd take it just "as is" in about 1 nanosecond. Only giving up Smith while not having to eat any of Greinke's salary (unless you want to count the 2.5 million owed to Albers which would be a fair assessment) and getting an immediate MLB arm to replace him in the rotation, I'd take that no problem. This would be a good, solid trade for Arizona.

Yeah, I was looking at this and thinking the same thing. Yerzy, Young, Bickford, Grisham, Felicano - those guys are all filler. Call that a wash.

Anderson gets $6.5M - but he's a serviceable back of the rotation arm that can be cut loose in the future if he falters with minimal financial commitments.

Albers is $2.5M of nothing

Greinke is owned $95.5M over the next three years. It grows to $97.5M if he is traded due to a $2M trade bonus. Some people quote $104.5M, but that's including signing bonus money - which would be paid by the original signing team (the Dbacks). $32.5M of Greinke's salary from 2019-21 is deferred - but we won't worry about that for calculating overall value. I'm guessing it drives down the overall numbers a few million.

Anyhow, for ease of calculation - let's say Greinke is owed $95.5M. Albers takes that down to $93M. Greinke's real value is probably more in the 3-year/$60-70M range. That means you're paying around $25M for Pavin Smith.

Smith is an interesting asset. The Brewers loved him in 2016 - and very well could have taken him over Hiura if he had been available. But the guy's star has dimmed. He hasn't developed much power, and he hasn't hit as well as expected. At best he's a borderline Top 100 guy - but more like a 150 type guy. That - plus his potential (which is still intriguing) - make him maybe a $10M asset or so.

In the end, you're way overpaying for Smith. We'd definitely need more.

Perhaps JosephC and his calculating wizardry would come up with a better idea of a deal.


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JosephC said:
clancyphile said:
I agree - which is why I have no problem acquiring him.

Not only does he become arguably the best starter on the staff, but he may be a good mentor for Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta (among others). The Crew's had them to a point where they all won't be super two, and the better they do... the higher the return if they end up being dealt down the road.

Besides that... I'd be happy to take his full salary provided the Diamondbacks give the Crew some prospects.

Diamondbacks get:
RHP Chase Anderson
RHP Matt Albers
C Mario Feliciano
OF Trent Grisham
RHP Phil Bickford

Brewers get:
RHP Zach Greinke
C Andy Yerzy
LHP Alex Young
1B Pavin Smith


If I'm the Diamondbacks, I wouldn't even counter that offer. I'd take it just "as is" in about 1 nanosecond. Only giving up Smith while not having to eat any of Greinke's salary (unless you want to count the 2.5 million owed to Albers which would be a fair assessment) and getting an immediate MLB arm to replace him in the rotation, I'd take that no problem. This would be a good, solid trade for Arizona.

Yeah, I was looking at this and thinking the same thing. Yerzy, Young, Bickford, Grisham, Felicano - those guys are all filler. Call that a wash.

Anderson gets $6.5M - but he's a serviceable back of the rotation arm that can be cut loose in the future if he falters with minimal financial commitments.

Albers is $2.5M of nothing

Greinke is owned $95.5M over the next three years. It grows to $97.5M if he is traded due to a $2M trade bonus. Some people quote $104.5M, but that's including signing bonus money - which would be paid by the original signing team (the Dbacks). $32.5M of Greinke's salary from 2019-21 is deferred - but we won't worry about that for calculating overall value. I'm guessing it drives down the overall numbers a few million.

Anyhow, for ease of calculation - let's say Greinke is owed $95.5M. Albers takes that down to $93M. Greinke's real value is probably more in the 3-year/$60-70M range. That means you're paying around $25M for Pavin Smith.

Smith is an interesting asset. The Brewers loved him in 2016 - and very well could have taken him over Hiura if he had been available. But the guy's star has dimmed. He hasn't developed much power, and he hasn't hit as well as expected. At best he's a borderline Top 100 guy - but more like a 150 type guy. That - plus his potential (which is still intriguing) - make him maybe a $10M asset or so.

In the end, you're way overpaying for Smith. We'd definitely need more.

Perhaps JosephC and his calculating wizardry would come up with a better idea of a deal.


Yerzy is, IMO, a potential bat-first catcher and a big upgrade over Feliciano. MLB Pipeline has his ETA as 2021. He's also left-handed, so he'd have a good shot at doing pretty well in Miller Park/AmFam Field.

Young is a back-end of the rotation starter, but could be better off in the bullpen. Either way, even though he got shelled a bit at Reno, I consider him to have a better shot at contributing in the majors than Bickford.

Smith is replacing Trent Grisham. He has good OBP skills, and maybe the stats guys can figure out what is up.


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I did divvy that up, based on the details of Greinke's contract at https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/arizona-dia ... einke-407/ - but I double-checked.

The $62.5 million is deferred over the six years. I'm going to assume $10.5 million deferred from 2019, and $11 million for 2020 and 2021. I am assuming that the first three years had $10 million deferred each.

2019 - the AAV is 34.5 million. The bonus, I assume, has already been paid, so we're really looking at $31.5 million. The deferred salary puts the Crew as owing $21 million. Since I am sending Anderson and Albers to Arizona, that's $9 million off the books in 2019 - so the net increase is actually at $12 million.

2020 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's team option (which I assume would be picked up - especially if he rebounded from 2018) is $8.5 million. Net increase in payroll is $12.5 million.

2021 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's option in 2021 is for $9.5 million. That puts the net increase down to $11.5 million.

2022-2026, the Brewers owe $32.5 million in deferred salary over those five years - or $6.5 million a year.



all of the details for annual breakdowns are found on Cots.


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Posted: January 27, 2019, 4:10 PM Post
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DHonks said:
clancyphile said:

I did divvy that up, based on the details of Greinke's contract at https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/arizona-dia ... einke-407/ - but I double-checked.

The $62.5 million is deferred over the six years. I'm going to assume $10.5 million deferred from 2019, and $11 million for 2020 and 2021. I am assuming that the first three years had $10 million deferred each.

2019 - the AAV is 34.5 million. The bonus, I assume, has already been paid, so we're really looking at $31.5 million. The deferred salary puts the Crew as owing $21 million. Since I am sending Anderson and Albers to Arizona, that's $9 million off the books in 2019 - so the net increase is actually at $12 million.

2020 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's team option (which I assume would be picked up - especially if he rebounded from 2018) is $8.5 million. Net increase in payroll is $12.5 million.

2021 - The AAV is $35 million. Bonus (paid by D-Backs) takes it down to $32 million. $11 million deferred takes it down further to $21 million. Anderson's option in 2021 is for $9.5 million. That puts the net increase down to $11.5 million.

2022-2026, the Brewers owe $32.5 million in deferred salary over those five years - or $6.5 million a year.



all of the details for annual breakdowns are found on Cots.


What is Cots? I was using Sportrac, is that less reliable?


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Posted: January 27, 2019, 5:09 PM Post
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the guy on twitter must be laughing.


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