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Posted: March 08, 2019, 11:59 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
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Scott Boras is the absolute worst. He's screwed up big time with a significant number of his free agents over the last few years, probably many more times than the general public is aware of. I wonder if athletes will start flocking away from him.


Moustakas, probably Keuchel, and...?

Most of this just seems to be the crappy reality of owners making a switch to the system where non-elite guys won't get long-term deals in their 30s and Moustakas and Keuchel (debatable) were left holding the bag.

EDIT: And OK, I guess Maldonado.


Pollock, Mccutchen, Eovaldi, Lemehiu, Murphy...all got multi-year deals and guess what these guys all have in common?

Also don't forget about Greg Holland last year.


Guys that have Boras probably know they are taking a bit of a risk. Moustakas and Howard are still with him even after being screwed (more likely by unlucky year of baseball system changing).

Guys will take the chance that they're the next Greg Holland in hopes that they can be the next Eric Hosmer.

Boras doesn't have many free agents of worth this year, but many of the other guys like Holland and Britton signed "prove it" deals. Britton may have taken more money and only 1 year to keep trying to bet on himself. Ditto on Moustakas.


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Posted: March 08, 2019, 3:54 PM Post
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If this is true, Boras is seriously an idiot. Wow what a great deal that would have been for Maldonado. Considering he's going on 33 and a terrible hitter, and he's only made $8.5 million in his career...$12 million is life changing money. He'll be lucky to make that much over the rest of his career. What in the world was Boras thinking?

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Posted: March 08, 2019, 8:35 PM Post
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That's terrible. And in a market where, at absolute best, Maldonado would rank no higher than the 3rd best catcher. Many would argue that Suzuki should also be rated higher but at least that could be debated. And if one wanted to expand the list of available catchers to trade opportunities, then Realmuto was out there too.

Again, Boras gets an A++++++ for getting a team to dump 330 million into a player who has been a 3.1 bWAR/fWAR player over the last three seasons. Pretty remarkable work there. But he gets an F for what he did to Maldonado.


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Posted: March 09, 2019, 8:21 AM Post
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If this is true, Boras is seriously an idiot. Wow what a great deal that would have been for Maldonado. Considering he's going on 33 and a terrible hitter, and he's only made $8.5 million in his career...$12 million is life changing money. He'll be lucky to make that much over the rest of his career. What in the world was Boras thinking?

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statu ... 6163965952


That is a complete and total FAIL on the part of Boras. Does he have Maldonado so brainwashed that he thinks he can get more?

Maldonado looks a bit foolish here too.


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Posted: March 09, 2019, 9:56 AM Post
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Boras is lost and rudderless in the new environment where Ivy League general managers do a better job of recognizing the true contract value of players rather than overpaying for past performance, which was the norm for forty years.

He’s notorious for having his assistants prepare fancy binders of players’ portfolios but that isn’t going to be consistent with today’s environment where you have to justify future performance.

Some of these absurd contracts, like Pujols’, just kill the player’s association. They miss a bright guy like Marvin Miller. They don’t think with foresight and haven’t adapted. They aren’t going to be able to make a collusion case when the data kills them.


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Posted: March 09, 2019, 11:38 AM Post
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Austin Tatious said:
Boras is lost and rudderless in the new environment where Ivy League general managers do a better job of recognizing the true contract value of players rather than overpaying for past performance, which was the norm for forty years.

He’s notorious for having his assistants prepare fancy binders of players’ portfolios but that isn’t going to be consistent with today’s environment where you have to justify future performance.

Some of these absurd contracts, like Pujols’, just kill the player’s association. They miss a bright guy like Marvin Miller. They don’t think with foresight and haven’t adapted. They aren’t going to be able to make a collusion case when the data kills them.


Putting Boras' antics to one side (and I agree, he was always a bit ridiculous, and is now fast becoming a dinosaur) he is not necessarily wrong to complain about the dynamics of the current climate at the end of this CBA. Yes, Boras' big-name clients and other blue chip players of the past decade plus have lived high on the hog and received massive overpays during their declining years. This has been often described as a way to compensate players for their past performance, with many scoffing at this notion. But the obvious core of truth at the heart of this argument is that if the old vets tend to be overpaid, then the young players--from the arbitration guys all the way down to the kids in rookie ball--are massively underpaid in the current system. Minor leaguers in many cases can barely make ends meet, and due to team-friendly aspects of the CBA allowing for arbitration control and service time manipulation, even young stars get nowhere near their worth in some of the prime years of their careers. Now as teams are all in unison about not overpaying for vets, and in a time of record-setting revenue streams all across the game, as ludicrous as it may seem, the players and their representatives can make a strong case that they are not receiving their due.

On all of this, I am torn. Being a fan of the smallest market team in baseball means that this team-friendly environment can reap handsome rewards for a team savvy enough to maximize the angles. The David Stearns era (and I'll even give the late-Melvin era a little credit here) has certainly been about doing just that. Yet, I cannot help but fear that as the rest of the league gets just as savvy, those advantages will become nil, and the Brewers will fall behind again due to salary constraints. And, of course, if players remain this dissatisfied, and the owners are unwilling or unable to find a way to strike a balance between overpaying vets and underpaying youth, then labor strife could bring the game to a grinding halt.

Long story short, many in this current crop of FAs, including the two big names still out there (Keuchel and Kimbrel) played much of the early years of their career while being paid less than their worth, with the understanding that their free agent deals would make up for it. Now, as their free agency arrives, the owners in unison decide to only pay vets for expected future performance. Both sides are right, and I don't see a way to square the circle, at least for this current group of players.

What is best in life? To crush the Cardinals, Cubs, and Manny Machado, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their fanboys.


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Posted: March 14, 2019, 2:10 PM Post
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Does anyone think one or both of Keuchel/Kimbrel won't be signed by opening day? I'm starting to think both guys are going to start the season as free agents.


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Posted: March 14, 2019, 3:49 PM Post
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Does anyone think one or both of Keuchel/Kimbrel won't be signed by opening day? I'm starting to think both guys are going to start the season as free agents.


Not kimbrel, he’s signing with the brewers sometime before then!


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Posted: March 14, 2019, 6:44 PM Post
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I still think we going to see one in a brewers uniform this year


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Posted: March 14, 2019, 8:30 PM Post
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Does anyone think one or both of Keuchel/Kimbrel won't be signed by opening day? I'm starting to think both guys are going to start the season as free agents.


At this point they could probably get more money waiting until the season starts and some team gets desperate after some injuries.


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Posted: March 15, 2019, 8:50 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Does anyone think one or both of Keuchel/Kimbrel won't be signed by opening day? I'm starting to think both guys are going to start the season as free agents.


At this point they could probably get more money waiting until the season starts and some team gets desperate after some injuries.


All the players saying X player not being on a team is bad for the game. These players continue to price themselves out of being signed, and are now going to cross their fingers and hope enough players get injured that their demands are met. What saints these guys are...please Josh, explain to me again how the owners are the only bad guys here?


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Posted: March 15, 2019, 10:37 AM Post
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Let them sit.

Makes no difference to anyone except them.


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Posted: March 17, 2019, 9:12 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
If this is true, Boras is seriously an idiot. Wow what a great deal that would have been for Maldonado. Considering he's going on 33 and a terrible hitter, and he's only made $8.5 million in his career...$12 million is life changing money. He'll be lucky to make that much over the rest of his career. What in the world was Boras thinking?

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statu ... 6163965952




Maldonado has ONLY made $8.5 million so far? Lol must be nice. Just meant to be humorous. [laughing]


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Posted: March 19, 2019, 9:38 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
If this is true, Boras is seriously an idiot. Wow what a great deal that would have been for Maldonado. Considering he's going on 33 and a terrible hitter, and he's only made $8.5 million in his career...$12 million is life changing money. He'll be lucky to make that much over the rest of his career. What in the world was Boras thinking?

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statu ... 6163965952




Maldonado has ONLY made $8.5 million so far? Lol must be nice. Just meant to be humorous. [laughing]


I know to us it seems like a lot. At the same time, the upfront salaries are high so Uncle Sam is going to take a huge chunk. Then his agent takes a chunk. Then the MLBPA. I would be surprised if half that money made it's way into Maldy's pocket. And if his career was over right now, he might still have to work(with no marketable skills other than baseball) unless of course he invested his money wisely. Adding $12 million is a game changer.


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