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Posted: May 25, 2019, 6:41 AM Post
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What, exactly, are we salvaging? The Brewers are tied for the 4th best record in the league, and currently in the playoffs if the season ended today, despite playing one of the hardest schedules in baseball so far.

I'm hoping Mark A. and the front office focus on a sound strategy moving forward, not making reactionary moves because we're not leading the division or something.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 8:06 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
What, exactly, are we salvaging? The Brewers are tied for the 4th best record in the league, and currently in the playoffs if the season ended today, despite playing one of the hardest schedules in baseball so far.

I'm hoping Mark A. and the front office focus on a sound strategy moving forward, not making reactionary moves because we're not leading the division or something.


David Stearns has said repeatedly, he wants to wait until around Memorial Day to see how players/team does before he makes judgements on what to do moving forward.

We’re there now. And unless moves are made( money spent )this team probably won’t make the wild card game. Imo the teams weaknesses:

- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.

- Aguilar needs to go, he’s almost as bad as Shaw, without the pedigree.

- statistically the worst team in baseball at getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Also, and just as important, manufacturing runs non- existent.

I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them. Imo Stearn’s has work to do, and zero prospect capital in which to fix the hitting issues.

So that leaves taking on large contracts as the only way to solve our weaknesses. Now we can pretend Shaw will magically find his stroke, and Aguilar will suddenly lose 60 lbs so as not to clog the bases, since his power stroke is gone. Not sure that’s going to happen.

Encarnacion is needed. Once again if done before July:

Encarnacion + 5 mil. > Aguilar + Diplan


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 9:05 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Mark A said all in, well put your money where your mouth is.


Back to spewing this crap again? Lovely.


Not crap, just an opinion. It’s not an attack against Mark A, there’s time to salvage the season, let’s see what happens moving forward.


Salvage the season? [laughing] oh my.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 10:14 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.


Based on what, exactly? Do you have a Psych degree, or is that just your opinion? Guys come out of slumps, even deep ones, every single year. Shaw will hit at some point, and it will be this season.


Brew crew 92 said:
I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them.


They're 1.5 back from the Cubs, despite again having played one of the toughest schedules in baseball so far. Making reactionary moves now is not what the Brewers do. If they identify value in a guy like Encarnacion or whoever, they WILL go out and improve the team, but it'll be on their terms and timeframe.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 12:28 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Brew crew 92 said:
- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.


Based on what, exactly? Do you have a Psych degree, or is that just your opinion? Guys come out of slumps, even deep ones, every single year. Shaw will hit at some point, and it will be this season.


Brew crew 92 said:
I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them.


They're 1.5 back from the Cubs, despite again having played one of the toughest schedules in baseball so far. Making reactionary moves now is not what the Brewers do. If they identify value in a guy like Encarnacion or whoever, they WILL go out and improve the team, but it'll be on their terms and timeframe.


Sorry, I should have been more specific, the gap between the cubbies and crew is TALENT. Specifically hitting. It’s not reactionary to know your weakness and then to fix that weakness.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 1:03 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
PeaveyFury said:
What, exactly, are we salvaging? The Brewers are tied for the 4th best record in the league, and currently in the playoffs if the season ended today, despite playing one of the hardest schedules in baseball so far.

I'm hoping Mark A. and the front office focus on a sound strategy moving forward, not making reactionary moves because we're not leading the division or something.


David Stearns has said repeatedly, he wants to wait until around Memorial Day to see how players/team does before he makes judgements on what to do moving forward.

We’re there now. And unless moves are made( money spent )this team probably won’t make the wild card game. Imo the teams weaknesses:

- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.

- Aguilar needs to go, he’s almost as bad as Shaw, without the pedigree.

- statistically the worst team in baseball at getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Also, and just as important, manufacturing runs non- existent.

I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them. Imo Stearn’s has work to do, and zero prospect capital in which to fix the hitting issues.

So that leaves taking on large contracts as the only way to solve our weaknesses. Now we can pretend Shaw will magically find his stroke, and Aguilar will suddenly lose 60 lbs so as not to clog the bases, since his power stroke is gone. Not sure that’s going to happen.

Encarnacion is needed. Once again if done before July:

Encarnacion + 5 mil. > Aguilar + Diplan


Diplan has little value right now to Seattle. He was bad last year at AA: 57 IPs - 58 Hits - 29 ERs - 1.65 WHIP. This year again at AA he's even worse: 32 IPs - 32 hits - 26 runs - 6.61 ERA - 1.56 WHIP. They don't want a struggling pitcher at AA plus a really struggling 1B. If they are also going to send $5M with Encarnacion, they could get a much better package from an A.L. contender.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 1:57 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
PeaveyFury said:
Brew crew 92 said:
- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.


Based on what, exactly? Do you have a Psych degree, or is that just your opinion? Guys come out of slumps, even deep ones, every single year. Shaw will hit at some point, and it will be this season.


Brew crew 92 said:
I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them.


They're 1.5 back from the Cubs, despite again having played one of the toughest schedules in baseball so far. Making reactionary moves now is not what the Brewers do. If they identify value in a guy like Encarnacion or whoever, they WILL go out and improve the team, but it'll be on their terms and timeframe.


Sorry, I should have been more specific, the gap between the cubbies and crew is TALENT. Specifically hitting. It’s not reactionary to know your weakness and then to fix that weakness.


You know that our hitting has been above average and our pitching below average, right?


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 2:32 PM Post
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Sorry, but I’m trying to compete with LA and Chicago and win a world championship. Going to need better hitting to compensate for Shaw Aguilar, and worst in baseball at run manufacturing and getting runners in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 2:58 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Sorry, but I’m trying to compete with LA and Chicago and win a world championship. Going to need better hitting to compensate for Shaw Aguilar, and worst in baseball at run manufacturing and getting runners in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs.


Right, and again...what about the pitching?


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 3:07 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Sorry, but I’m trying to compete with LA and Chicago and win a world championship. Going to need better hitting to compensate for Shaw Aguilar, and worst in baseball at run manufacturing and getting runners in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs.


Right, and again...what about the pitching?


Since May 3rd we are top 3 in baseball in team era, before last 3 games we were number 1. I believe we need more pitching too, but a pitcher or two could come from within(Nelson Sanchez Rasmussen Perdomo) that’s not the case with our hitting.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 5:32 PM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
PeaveyFury said:
What, exactly, are we salvaging? The Brewers are tied for the 4th best record in the league, and currently in the playoffs if the season ended today, despite playing one of the hardest schedules in baseball so far.

I'm hoping Mark A. and the front office focus on a sound strategy moving forward, not making reactionary moves because we're not leading the division or something.


David Stearns has said repeatedly, he wants to wait until around Memorial Day to see how players/team does before he makes judgements on what to do moving forward.

We’re there now. And unless moves are made( money spent )this team probably won’t make the wild card game. Imo the teams weaknesses:

- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist.

- Aguilar needs to go, he’s almost as bad as Shaw, without the pedigree.

- statistically the worst team in baseball at getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Also, and just as important, manufacturing runs non- existent.

I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them. Imo Stearn’s has work to do, and zero prospect capital in which to fix the hitting issues.

So that leaves taking on large contracts as the only way to solve our weaknesses. Now we can pretend Shaw will magically find his stroke, and Aguilar will suddenly lose 60 lbs so as not to clog the bases, since his power stroke is gone. Not sure that’s going to happen.

Encarnacion is needed. Once again if done before July:

Encarnacion + 5 mil. > Aguilar + Diplan


Diplan has little value right now to Seattle. He was bad last year at AA: 57 IPs - 58 Hits - 29 ERs - 1.65 WHIP. This year again at AA he's even worse: 32 IPs - 32 hits - 26 runs - 6.61 ERA - 1.56 WHIP. They don't want a struggling pitcher at AA plus a really struggling 1B. If they are also going to send $5M with Encarnacion, they could get a much better package from an A.L. contender.


Aguilar is a perfect change of scenery candidate, Diplan just a throw in.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 6:41 PM Post
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We don't have the prospects necessary to make a deal to improve the team so the only way we can do something that will move the needle is to take on a big contract. I think there is a fairly good chance that Aguilar is toast and we need a consistent right handed power threat which Encarnacion would be.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 10:48 PM Post
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I get the idea of adding EE and having a consistent RH power bat in the lineup. Not debating that. EE is the poster child for consistent RH power.

That said, beyond the contract issue there is also the issue of how to use him in the NL. The lack of a DH role in the NL is a limitation that impacts the Brewers big time in this case. Asking EE to be an everyday 1B at this point (36 about to be 37 yrs old) is begging for problems. Using the Rtot/yr stat from Baseball Reference Edwin is -16 at 1B this season. Taking the same stat, you have Aguilar at 9 and Thames at 6. So both the current guys are markedly better defensively than EE. Bringing EE in might add to the lineup but he has to come out late each game and that might become an issue.

Additionally having watched EE up close the past 2 years, I can say he among the slower base runners out there. He tries and gives effort but he is station to station. The idea of him scoring from 2nd on a single or 1st on a double begs for outs at the plate..

Buyer beware....


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Posted: May 26, 2019, 11:45 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
PeaveyFury said:
What, exactly, are we salvaging? The Brewers are tied for the 4th best record in the league, and currently in the playoffs if the season ended today, despite playing one of the hardest schedules in baseball so far.

I'm hoping Mark A. and the front office focus on a sound strategy moving forward, not making reactionary moves because we're not leading the division or something.


David Stearns has said repeatedly, he wants to wait until around Memorial Day to see how players/team does before he makes judgements on what to do moving forward.

We’re there now. And unless moves are made( money spent )this team probably won’t make the wild card game. Imo the teams weaknesses:

- Shaw’s hitting slump is so deep, he probably can’t recover from it this year, he needs to see a sports psychologist
.

- Aguilar needs to go, he’s almost as bad as Shaw, without the pedigree.

- statistically the worst team in baseball at getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Also, and just as important, manufacturing runs non- existent.

I believe this teams pitching is good enough to win the division, but the aforementioned hitting issues will keep this team from beating out the cubbies. Right now there’s a pretty big gap between them. Imo Stearn’s has work to do, and zero prospect capital in which to fix the hitting issues.

So that leaves taking on large contracts as the only way to solve our weaknesses. Now we can pretend Shaw will magically find his stroke, and Aguilar will suddenly lose 60 lbs so as not to clog the bases, since his power stroke is gone. Not sure that’s going to happen.

Encarnacion is needed. Once again if done before July:

Encarnacion + 5 mil. > Aguilar + Diplan




I just shut off when I read things like this. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about OTHER than Shaw, who went to the DL is hitting poorly. Yet the same guy who played through a serious, life threatening illness to his child needs to see a sports psychologist?


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Posted: May 26, 2019, 11:48 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
adambr2 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Sorry, but I’m trying to compete with LA and Chicago and win a world championship. Going to need better hitting to compensate for Shaw Aguilar, and worst in baseball at run manufacturing and getting runners in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs.


Right, and again...what about the pitching?


Since May 3rd we are top 3 in baseball in team era, before last 3 games we were number 1. I believe we need more pitching too, but a pitcher or two could come from within(Nelson Sanchez Rasmussen Perdomo) that’s not the case with our hitting.



And Aguilar had a .427 OBP in May when you first posted this. And that didn't include the two big games he had at the end of April.

Just picking a date and using a few weeks of data to analyze can cut both ways.



Edit-From the end of April to today, Aguilar has been hitting .296/420/500.

Given that EE is worse offensively, seems illogical to make this move now. I'm sure you would not agree when presented with the facts, right?


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Posted: May 26, 2019, 12:32 PM Post
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since the crew made changes and or additions to the rotation, add Gio and Anderson subtract peralta and Burnes, with Burnes to the pen, the pitching has been good.

Aguilar’s power is non-existent, so when he gets a hit or walk he hurts the team further by clogging the bases.

Don’t really understand your Aguilar better offensively comment. EE on pace for 40+ home runs and 100+ rbi.


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Posted: May 26, 2019, 3:51 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
since the crew made changes and or additions to the rotation, add Gio and Anderson subtract peralta and Burnes, with Burnes to the pen, the pitching has been good.

Aguilar’s power is non-existent, so when he gets a hit or walk he hurts the team further by clogging the bases.

Don’t really understand your Aguilar better offensively comment. EE on pace for 40+ home runs and 100+ rbi.


Except Aguilar had a higher slugging percentage than EE both last season and the season before. So surely you can understand if management doesn't want to jump to conclusions based on 127 ABs this year.

Also the whole "clogging the bases" thing is just a really silly expression to imply that getting on base is a bad thing, especially when comparing Aguilar to EE who is much older and equally a sloth on the bases. Aguilar can at least play a passable 1B while there is no DH spot in the NL to plug in EE.

It's also shows extreme bias to continue to harp on the improvement of the pitching staff in May but completely disregard the improvement of Aguilar when that is brought up.


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Posted: May 26, 2019, 4:37 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
since the crew made changes and or additions to the rotation, add Gio and Anderson subtract peralta and Burnes, with Burnes to the pen, the pitching has been good.

Aguilar’s power is non-existent, so when he gets a hit or walk he hurts the team further by clogging the bases.

Don’t really understand your Aguilar better offensively comment. EE on pace for 40+ home runs and 100+ rbi.


Except Aguilar had a higher slugging percentage than EE both last season and the season before. So surely you can understand if management doesn't want to jump to conclusions based on 127 ABs this year.

Also the whole "clogging the bases" thing is just a really silly expression to imply that getting on base is a bad thing, especially when comparing Aguilar to EE who is much older and equally a sloth on the bases. Aguilar can at least play a passable 1B while there is no DH spot in the NL to plug in EE.

It's also shows extreme bias to continue to harp on the improvement of the pitching staff in May but completely disregard the improvement of Aguilar when that is brought up.


Except, he hasn’t improved. No power. Where’s the power? Every pinch hit appearance lately a k, when rock and BA talk about his season long slump, you know it’s bad. If he’s not at least hitting the occasional home run there’s a serious problem, how long to we give him and Shaw to right themselves?

Your right, EE hitter only player, but he’s on pace for 40+ 100+ and ya gotta love almost as many walks as ks. Not the perfect bat we need for obvious reasons, but one we could potentially acquire without giving up prospects.

Big difference between the pitching staff leading baseball in era = really really good.

And Aguilar getting on base at a higher clip but with zero power = better but still slumping.


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Posted: June 02, 2019, 9:24 PM Post
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All of the Mariners are available.

https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1 ... 66656?s=21


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Posted: June 03, 2019, 6:31 AM Post
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Thames now has a higher OPS than EE.

Note that I'm not saying Thames is better than EE. I'm saying EE is a marginal upgrade not worth blowing all remaining financial flexibility on.


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