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Posted: June 12, 2019, 11:01 PM Post
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And if we're advocating for Bauer, can we really complain about Burmgarner? Is there something that makes him unlikable that I don't know about? Or are we just talking about him yelling a guys who watch their HR's? Because if it's the later, I actually gained more respect for him by saying basically, "well, he can do that, that's fine, but then let me be me and not like that he's doing that."
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I won't advocate for Bauer because he literally stalked a girl on Twitter for 72 hours because she said something mildly mean about him in one Tweet.

Bumgarner, I would understand if the dude was just a "fiery competitor", but it's not about "letting kids be kids" and letting "madbum be himself", he is literally pitching a fit because people on the diamond won't conform to imaginary rules that he has created in his own head. It's stupid, silly, and absolutely unnecessary. That doesn't make him a fiery competitor, it just makes him a super intolerable jerk who behaves like a red-assed immature baby.

The other day Max Muncy hit a massive drive, LAID his bat down, took two walking steps, and Bumgarner was screaming at him to RUN, DONT WALK, until the cords on his neck were standing out, and the umpire had to get between him and Muncy. I mean......why?? Just to show everyone how fiery and awesome and what a protector of the game he is? What even is the point of that? If his feelings are that hurt by bat flips and guys watching homeruns, maybe he just needs some frickin anger management....


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Posted: June 14, 2019, 9:48 AM Post
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No Burnes for Bum..... yet, I would consider other options for a playoff tested arm and mind like Bums.


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Since this trade for Bumgarner topic will be with us until July 31, how about a different title for this?


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Since this trade for Bumgarner topic will be with us until July 31, how about a different title for this?


Done.

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In a good trade, both teams get value. Thus, I'd give the Giants a three-day-old paper bag of dog crap for Bumgarner.


Oh sure, it's easy to say they should do this when you're talking about someone else's poo. Pretty obvious that the same people pushing for stuff like this would change their tune if it came to lighting their own poo on fire in deals like this though.


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Bumgarner has been very mediocre this year. 3.87 ERA, 3.97 FIP and 4.07 xFIP...in one of the more pitcher friendly venues in baseball. I'll also add most of his road starts were in pitcher friendly environments as well if you look at his game log. His hard hit rate of 46.4% is 5% higher than last year, 11% higher than 2017, and 15% higher than any prior year. Overall, I would argue he's probably been a bit lucky this year...and who knows how much worse that would all be in a hitter friendly park.

All that said, looking at his gamelog is basically a dream for this team. He's worked at least 6 innings all but 1 start(5.2 innings) and has allowed 5 runs twice, 4 runs twice, 3 runs four times, 2 runs four times, 1 run twice, and 0 runs once. None of his starts were those dreadful 2-3 innings of 5+ run baseball type starts that we get on occasion. If he pitched roughly like that for the Brewers, that's incredibly valuable.


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OnTheBlack said:
And if we're advocating for Bauer, can we really complain about Burmgarner? Is there something that makes him unlikable that I don't know about? Or are we just talking about him yelling a guys who watch their HR's? Because if it's the later, I actually gained more respect for him by saying basically, "well, he can do that, that's fine, but then let me be me and not like that he's doing that."
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I won't advocate for Bauer because he literally stalked a girl on Twitter for 72 hours because she said something mildly mean about him in one Tweet.

Bumgarner, I would understand if the dude was just a "fiery competitor", but it's not about "letting kids be kids" and letting "madbum be himself", he is literally pitching a fit because people on the diamond won't conform to imaginary rules that he has created in his own head. It's stupid, silly, and absolutely unnecessary. That doesn't make him a fiery competitor, it just makes him a super intolerable jerk who behaves like a red-assed immature baby.

The other day Max Muncy hit a massive drive, LAID his bat down, took two walking steps, and Bumgarner was screaming at him to RUN, DONT WALK, until the cords on his neck were standing out, and the umpire had to get between him and Muncy. I mean......why?? Just to show everyone how fiery and awesome and what a protector of the game he is? What even is the point of that? If his feelings are that hurt by bat flips and guys watching homeruns, maybe he just needs some frickin anger management....


Isn't this most of the best white pitchers who do this? Or actually just more established pitchers? Especially against your biggest rival.

I don't care enough about the yelling at guys to run or stupid baseball unwritten rules to nix a trade for him. I mean..I care in that I hate that pitchers whine about it and I hate that hitters have to do their stupid little bat flip and then some of them take SOOO absurdly long to get around the bases(Machado) that you do kinda want to smack them. But this is Baseball. Dealing with grown men throwing temper tantrums whilst making millions of dollars playing a game is pretty much standard.

It's stupid, I agree. I was always on Gomez's side, but I'll still take an older vet like him. We can't just close off our list to pitchers we like. That's CC and...I don't know, Kershaw seems like a pretty good dude?? Obviously, there are others, but a lot of pitchers act like idiots.


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Lots of pitchers are like Bumgarner? Really? The guy is a damn disgrace. Not sure anyone else I've seen in my lifetime comes close to his levels of douchebagging.


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I'd love it if somebody would hit a HR of Bumgarner and then stick the bat between their legs and gallop around the bases on their bat horsey. Maybe take off their hat and yell "yee haw" at the ol' Madbum too while they're at it.

There's just something about seeing a hothead jerk get antagonized that I'll always love.

Back on topic, I concur with having no interest whatsoever in seeing him wear a Brewers uniform.


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I'd love it if somebody would hit a HR of Bumgarner and then stick the bat between their legs and gallop around the bases on their bat horsey. Maybe take off their hat and yell "yee haw" at the ol' Madbum too while they're at it.

There's just something about seeing a hothead jerk get antagonized that I'll always love.

Back on topic, I concur with having no interest whatsoever in seeing him wear a Brewers uniform.


Maybe pitchers should start showboating a bit more in the name of "just let the players play" and see how the batters react to it. The "hothead jerk" pitcher would then be cool and the ticked off batter would be a hothead? It would be interesting to see the double talk and hypocrisy of all the Bryce Harpers in the game.

Bum is just what this team needs..... a starter who routinely throws a solid 6IP with some fire in his belly and ice water in his veins for late season baseball. Put him on a meaningful stage, ala Verlander, and his performance will get better as well.


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AKCheesehead said:
I'd love it if somebody would hit a HR of Bumgarner and then stick the bat between their legs and gallop around the bases on their bat horsey. Maybe take off their hat and yell "yee haw" at the ol' Madbum too while they're at it.

There's just something about seeing a hothead jerk get antagonized that I'll always love.

Back on topic, I concur with having no interest whatsoever in seeing him wear a Brewers uniform.

Someone needs to start a GoFundMe for that sole intent. The player that carries out the scenario gets the bank! [laughing]


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rickh150 said:
AKCheesehead said:
I'd love it if somebody would hit a HR of Bumgarner and then stick the bat between their legs and gallop around the bases on their bat horsey. Maybe take off their hat and yell "yee haw" at the ol' Madbum too while they're at it.

There's just something about seeing a hothead jerk get antagonized that I'll always love.

Back on topic, I concur with having no interest whatsoever in seeing him wear a Brewers uniform.


Maybe pitchers should start showboating a bit more in the name of "just let the players play" and see how the batters react to it. The "hothead jerk" pitcher would then be cool and the ticked off batter would be a hothead? It would be interesting to see the double talk and hypocrisy of all the Bryce Harpers in the game.

Bum is just what this team needs..... a starter who routinely throws a solid 6IP with some fire in his belly and ice water in his veins for late season baseball. Put him on a meaningful stage, ala Verlander, and his performance will get better as well.



Well, Verlander's that rare pitcher that just doesn't seem to be slowing down. Bumgarner, I don't mind him all that much. I'm sure I'd feel the same way about him if he were a Cardinal that everyone else does, I just am kinda numb to the whole "unwritten rule," nonsense.


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Lots of pitchers are like Bumgarner? Really? The guy is a damn disgrace. Not sure anyone else I've seen in my lifetime comes close to his levels of douchebagging.



You ever see John Rocker, Chris Carpenter, Curt Schilling?

I don't know what the definition of "a lot" here is, but he's hardly rare that a pitcher throws a temper tantrum because of a perceived slight.

Oh, Dallas Braden just came to mind. Carlos Zambrono. It's actually quite easy to think of pitches who act like clowns.

Remember when Kenny Rodgers attacked a couple camera men? I seem to remember Papelbon in the middle of all types of nonsense.


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OnTheBlack said:
And if we're advocating for Bauer, can we really complain about Burmgarner? Is there something that makes him unlikable that I don't know about? Or are we just talking about him yelling a guys who watch their HR's? Because if it's the later, I actually gained more respect for him by saying basically, "well, he can do that, that's fine, but then let me be me and not like that he's doing that."
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I won't advocate for Bauer because he literally stalked a girl on Twitter for 72 hours because she said something mildly mean about him in one Tweet.

Bumgarner, I would understand if the dude was just a "fiery competitor", but it's not about "letting kids be kids" and letting "madbum be himself", he is literally pitching a fit because people on the diamond won't conform to imaginary rules that he has created in his own head. It's stupid, silly, and absolutely unnecessary. That doesn't make him a fiery competitor, it just makes him a super intolerable jerk who behaves like a red-assed immature baby.

The other day Max Muncy hit a massive drive, LAID his bat down, took two walking steps, and Bumgarner was screaming at him to RUN, DONT WALK, until the cords on his neck were standing out, and the umpire had to get between him and Muncy. I mean......why?? Just to show everyone how fiery and awesome and what a protector of the game he is? What even is the point of that? If his feelings are that hurt by bat flips and guys watching homeruns, maybe he just needs some frickin anger management....



Yes, I know this. I made a reference to it in my post you quoted. I paraphrased, but that's what he essentially said about the Muncy situation.

I just don't see this as being that rare. Pitchers are often clowns. I guess there have been a lot of pitchers that have set the bar pretty low for me. There's a lot of dog whistle talk that comes out of some of these guys mouths or just flat out calling out Latin American players for not playing "their game" the right way...or allowing them to come over there.

But I was genuinely asking. Like I said, you do see some pretty openly racist stuff come from some of these guys, so I was curious if it was just a grown man playing a kids game and throwing a tantrum because someone didn't conform to their set of unwritten rules or if he had done other things.

I understand if you think the temper itself is enough to call him a clown. I was just wondering if there was more to it that I hadn't heard.


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I hope this isn't getting traction. I'm no fan of this guy, or what it will end up costing to get him...Wonder if there is a chance that Will Smith will come along with him if a deal does get done?



According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Astros, Twins, Braves, and Brewers are among the teams showing interest in Giants starter Madison Bumgarner.

Bumgarner made an early exit from his final start of the first half after getting hit on the left elbow by a line drive, but X-rays came back negative and he is lined up to pitch Saturday in Milwaukee. The 29-year-old impending free agent has registered a 4.03 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, and 115/24 K/BB ratio in 111 2/3 innings (19 starts) this season. The Astros, Braves, and Brewers are on his no-trade list -- the Twins are not -- but that shouldn't have much of an impact on the Giants' ability to conduct trade negotiations. Rosenthal notes that Bumgarner compiled the list "strategically" based on "the teams he figured might want him most."

Source: The Athletic
Jul 8, 2019, 11:15 AM ET


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turborickey said:
I hope this isn't getting traction. I'm no fan of this guy, or what it will end up costing to get him...Wonder if there is a chance that Will Smith will come along with him if a deal does get done?



According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Astros, Twins, Braves, and Brewers are among the teams showing interest in Giants starter Madison Bumgarner.

Bumgarner made an early exit from his final start of the first half after getting hit on the left elbow by a line drive, but X-rays came back negative and he is lined up to pitch Saturday in Milwaukee. The 29-year-old impending free agent has registered a 4.03 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, and 115/24 K/BB ratio in 111 2/3 innings (19 starts) this season. The Astros, Braves, and Brewers are on his no-trade list -- the Twins are not -- but that shouldn't have much of an impact on the Giants' ability to conduct trade negotiations. Rosenthal notes that Bumgarner compiled the list "strategically" based on "the teams he figured might want him most."

Source: The Athletic
Jul 8, 2019, 11:15 AM ET


My guess is a lot of teams will have similar offers and Bumgarner will pick the team he wants to play on from about 3-4 teams. That or whoever makes the best offer has to send him some sort of financial kicker. I hope communication is generally good so the Giants don't end up with a Lucroy veto situation.


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Dubon makes a ton of sense here as he could start at 2b with Crawford at SS but him being MLB ready with 6yrs control is super difficult for me to want to part with for 2 months of Bumgarner. I just think Dubon's skill set is what the Brewers need from the SS spot at this point in time. Brown makes sense. I'd pass on targeting MadBum as there will be a bidding war and no way Stearns wins that with the capital we have.


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This is not the year of woulda,, coulda, shoulda. The Brewers will get the pieces needed this year, again largely because of Moose and Grandal being FA next year. It is the train track that the team is on.


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The year before Verlander was traded he was runner up for the Cy Young. I would hesitate to give much up for Bumgarner as he has been on a slow decline the last few years (a lot because of injury). I would go less than the Cubs went for Hamels. Cashner would be a better rental IMO.


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I will say that Bumgarner had the look of really starting to heat up prior to taking one off the elbow. He had a 4.28 ERA and an 8.7 K/9 after a June 20 game, but in three starts after that had posted a 2.40 ERA and a 13.2 K/9. And most of those innings were against the Rockies and Diamondbacks. Both in San Francisco so he had the home park working for him, but neither of those teams have slouch offenses. I'd been the guy saying all along that it's unlikely that teams will step up and meet the Giants demands, which I think will be pretty big (Giants will need at least 2x a reasonable surplus value calculation?...all speculation on my part). But strikeout pitchers are hot...and a guy who goes on a late June/July run and is able to post a 13.2 K/9, even over a relatively modest amount of innings...demand for a guy like that could dramatically shoot up in baseball's current environment.


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