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Posted: July 31, 2019, 8:43 AM Post
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I'm guessing we end up with an innings eater pitcher like Mike Leake (maybe not specifically Leake, but someone like him) who won't cost much. Plus a decent reliever for a reasonable price - like we got Swarzak a couple of years ago.

The reason is that this team needs more than just a player or two. They need some of their underperforming guys to step up - like last September when Arcia and Woodruff and Burnes and Gio and others really helped the team. So many guys have struggled of late - and we need that to turn it around. Whether that can happen is a big question, but I'm betting that Stearns fortifies the staff a bit with some modest additions, and gambles his guys get their act together for the final 1/3 of the season.

All just a guess. But by doing so you don't surrender any of our best young players, such as Turang and Grisham.

I should note that whenever I say stuff like this, Stearns usually turns around and does the opposite. So be prepared for a blockbuster!


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 9:06 AM Post
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MadThinker88 said:
Just that Bauer is now into the NL Central and Trammell is out of the division..

This makes it each of the past three deadlines that a different NL Central team has traded away some of their top young players for a good starting pitcher:

July 2017 - Cubs trade prospects Dylan Cease and Eloy Jimenez for Jose Quintana

July 2018 - Pirates trade Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and prospect Shane Baz for Chris Archer

July 2019 - Reds trade prospects Taylor Trammel and Scott Moss (along with Yasiel Puig) for Trevor Bauer


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 9:56 AM Post
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Maybe if we just stay put, the rest of the central will come down to us.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 9:56 AM Post
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Last night Joe Giradi said he would not be shocked to see Cinny Flip Bauer


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 10:02 AM Post
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I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop in Cincinnati. They now have: Castillo, Gray, Bauer, DeScalfani, Mahle, Roark and just activated Alex Wood. I'm assuming they'll ship out Roark and Wood before the deadline. Both could help the Brewers down the stretch.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 11:31 AM Post
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Mudville9 said:
Maybe if we just stay put, the rest of the central will come down to us.


Sorry, but that is funny right there...


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 11:36 AM Post
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Jopal78! said:
Where’s the over pay here?


I'll let other, smarter people do the talking:

The values from tonight's blockbuster:

#Indians get: Franmil Reyes ($32.4M), Logan Allen ($14.7M), Yasiel Puig ($6.5m), Scott Moss ($0.4M), Victor Nova (NR) TOTAL - $54.0M

#Padres get: Taylor Trammell ($50.2M)

#Reds get: Trevor Bauer ($34.4M)

The #Padres values are balanced. This means that we're either severely undervaluing Trevor Bauer, or the #Reds overpaid.

We believe it's the latter. Over the past year, we've seen only one overpay in a trade for a starting pitcher - Cincinnati's offseason trade for Sonny Gray.

The #Reds have mentioned the difficulties of luring free agent pitchers to Cincinnati, and their willingness to overpay in a trade as a result.

This is a higher-variance trade than we're used to seeing, but we've seen other high-variance trades from the Reds in the past.


And from our resident 'surplus value' expert, Joseph C:

Reds = -42.4 million in surplus value
Added - Bauer (+28.2)
Subtracted - Puig (+3.1), Moss (+5.5), Trammell (+62.0)

Indians = +25.4 million in surplus value
Added - Puig (+3.1), Moss (+5.5), Reyes (+27.0), Allen (+15.8), Nova (+2.2)
Subtracted - Bauer (+28.2)

Padres = +17 million in surplus value
Added - Trammell (+62.0)
Subtracted - Reyes (+27.0), Allen (+15.8), Nova (+2.2)


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 12:24 PM Post
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“Significant” deal with the Giants... Dubon gone...


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 12:29 PM Post
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“Significant” deal with the Giants... Dubon gone...


For Pomeranz only???
Not sure if I like that deal...


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 12:32 PM Post
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Tanner Roark going from Cinci to Oakland A's


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:11 PM Post
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Well there's your deadline. Underwhelming throughout the whole league.

Reds make the biggest splash in the Central while Cubs, Cardinals and Brewers pretty much stand pat.

Aguilar move is fine getting back a controllable arm. SF move underwhelming and does not put the Brewers over the top on paper for even the 2nd wild card. Wish they would've sold or not made the Dubon move and stand pat.


EDIT: Final moves being announced. Cubs get Castellanos


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:12 PM Post
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Castellanos going to the Cubs apparently. Nice bat for them, but where does he play on D?


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:15 PM Post
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Cole, Verlander, Greinke, Miley


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:17 PM Post
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Across MLB this was the lamest trade deadline I can remember. Aside from some teams presumably out of the playoff hunt adding impact pitchers, everyone else mostly just made small moves around the margins. I completely get that teams are making decisions that they think are in their long-term best interests, but it doesn't do much for the entertainment value associated with seeing teams really embrace the concept of an ebb and flow through competitive cycles. The idea of lines of distinction between "buyers" and "sellers" appear to be blurry at best.

Edit: Wrote this before the Greinke deal. That one is fun.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:19 PM Post
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Eye Black said:
Across MLB this was the lamest trade deadline I can remember. Aside from some teams presumably out of the playoff hunt adding impact pitchers, everyone else mostly just made small moves around the margins. I completely get that teams are making decisions that they think are in their long-term best interests, but it doesn't do much for the entertainment value associated with seeing teams really embrace the concept of an ebb and flow through competitive cycles. The idea of lines of distinction between "buyers" and "sellers" appear to be blurry at best.


Last minute trades making it a little better.

Gennett to Giants, Greinke to Houston, Castellanos to Cubs


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:42 PM Post
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So this deadline:

Not that WAR is the end all, but the combined WAR of all players we acquired is -0.4.

We did not upgrade at SS or find depth there, in fact we lost depth there. We acquired a couple non needle moving starters that hardly qualify as AAA depth. There's some upside, but literally every player we acquired you could debate as to whether they are even worth a 25 man roster spot.

The only one I'm even remotely excited about is Faria. I'm not sure Lyles will even be better than Supak/Wilkerson would have been. Black is a 30 year old project. Pomeranz is useless. We lost a good prospect, got stuck with Arcia now for the foreseeable future, and somehow didn't even really improve our MLB team.

I guess the best thing about this deadline is that Grisham is still here.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:54 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
So this deadline:

Not that WAR is the end all, but the combined WAR of all players we acquired is -0.4.

We did not upgrade at SS or find depth there, in fact we lost depth there. We acquired a couple non needle moving starters that hardly qualify as AAA depth. There's some upside, but literally every player we acquired you could debate as to whether they are even worth a 25 man roster spot.

The only one I'm even remotely excited about is Faria. I'm not sure Lyles will even be better than Supak/Wilkerson would have been. Black is a 30 year old project. Pomeranz is useless. We lost a good prospect, got stuck with Arcia now for the foreseeable future, and somehow didn't even really improve our MLB team.

I guess the best thing about this deadline is that Grisham is still here.


While I'm not anywhere close to your "glass is half empty" take here, I was underwhelmed by what they managed to do. I am intrigued by the upside of Faria and Black. I think Pomeranz, if deployed as a mid-inning reliever, can have value. We'll see what Lyles can do.

The pen, which was this team's major downfall, stands the chance of being better. Can they survive with basically 2 healthy starters and Houser until Gio is fully back? Maybe.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 2:57 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
I guess the best thing about this deadline is that Grisham is still here.


truth.


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 3:07 PM Post
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schmidtac20 said:
Cole, Verlander, Greinke, Miley

Now that's a rotation!


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Posted: July 31, 2019, 3:19 PM Post
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My take is a bunch of smallish moves that hopefully will work out without mortgaging our future too badly. It's going to be a crapshoot in the NL so makes sense not too "waste" too many prospects on a losing endeavor. Time will tell if the stars align and make it to the playoffs


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