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Posted: July 01, 2019, 4:53 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Is Zach Davies a relative of yours?


Exactly my point. Way to put it fully on display today.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 01, 2019, 5:27 PM Post
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Crew 92-- You are getting 3 guys still in A ball (Duran is in his 5th year and still in A ball). They are a long ways away from helping the Brewers. You give up Hader for a rental in Smith and have nothing other than Kennedy who is trying to reinvent himself as a reliever and nowhere near a Hader, for next year. Then you let Moose and Grandal go and maybe get replacements who aren't as good, but could fill a void IF MA ups the payroll to a ridiculous $180M next year. You give up the farm system and weaken the team for years. No thanks.


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Posted: July 01, 2019, 6:27 PM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
Crew 92-- You are getting 3 guys still in A ball (Duran is in his 5th year and still in A ball). They are a long ways away from helping the Brewers. You give up Hader for a rental in Smith and have nothing other than Kennedy who is trying to reinvent himself as a reliever and nowhere near a Hader, for next year. Then you let Moose and Grandal go and maybe get replacements who aren't as good, but could fill a void IF MA ups the payroll to a ridiculous $180M next year. You give up the farm system and weaken the team for years. No thanks.


I gain more good prospects than I give up, because I sell super high on Hader. Kennedy is good but expensive, that’s why the $ coming back, I still have Jeffress Guerra Knebel and others next year.

Duran is still highly rated, and so are the other 3. I can also trade 1 or 2 of those prospects for a quality big league ready player if I want.

I guess I’m in the minority thinking Bauer is a stud pitcher, but I do, and between he and Woody and Houser, I’ll take my chances in the playoffs.


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Posted: July 01, 2019, 7:16 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
wntrtxn21 said:
Crew 92-- You are getting 3 guys still in A ball (Duran is in his 5th year and still in A ball). They are a long ways away from helping the Brewers. You give up Hader for a rental in Smith and have nothing other than Kennedy who is trying to reinvent himself as a reliever and nowhere near a Hader, for next year. Then you let Moose and Grandal go and maybe get replacements who aren't as good, but could fill a void IF MA ups the payroll to a ridiculous $180M next year. You give up the farm system and weaken the team for years. No thanks.


I gain more good prospects than I give up, because I sell super high on Hader. Kennedy is good but expensive, that’s why the $ coming back, I still have Jeffress Guerra Knebel and others next year.

Duran is still highly rated, and so are the other 3. I can also trade 1 or 2 of those prospects for a quality big league ready player if I want.

I guess I’m in the minority thinking Bauer is a stud pitcher, but I do, and between he and Woody and Houser, I’ll take my chances in the playoffs.


I'm not as high on Jeffress, Guerra, and Knebel as you are. Jeffress is nothing near what he was last year. ERA and FIP are way up. Hits are up, HRs are up, Ks are way down. Guerra has allowed 12 runs in his last 14 IPs and going backward. Knebel coming off arm problems is iffy at best. I'm still far from convinced on Houser as a starter. He's done nothing so far to say he's going to do the job. Tonight he went only 5 and allowed 3 ERs and two bombs. His FB and CB play out well as a long man where he thrived, but highly questionable starting.


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Posted: July 01, 2019, 10:25 PM Post
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At this point i want Zach Davies to not give up another run all season and coast to the Cy Young award.


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 5:07 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
At this point i want Zach Davies to not give up another run all season and coast to the Cy Young award.


Yes, then imagine what we could get if we trade him this offseason.


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 5:25 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
At this point i want Zach Davies to not give up another run all season and coast to the Cy Young award.


Yes, then imagine what we could get if we trade him this offseason.


Ridiculed. That's what they'd get. Because playoff-contending teams don't trade off young, good, cost-controlled Major League starting pitching just because one fan doesn't like that they don't throw fast. [wink]


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 9:37 AM Post
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Right now the bench consists of three pretty horrible offensive players in Saladino, Pina, and Aguilar.

Gamel has been great but he really has been the only dependable bat coming from the bench. Even Braun has been terrible coming in as a sub this year (Although, he is a starter for the most part).

This year’s team could use another Jerry Hairston/Gerardo Parra type player coming from the bench. Could go a long way, especially if they do make the playoffs. Make it as tough as we can late in games to get those last outs.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 2:00 PM Post
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This year’s team could use another Jerry Hairston/Gerardo Parra type player coming from the bench. Could go a long way, especially if they do make the playoffs. Make it as tough as we can late in games to get those last outs.

Unfortunately the Rangers are still in the playoff hunt because the versatile player that comes to mind out of the Jerry Hairston mold is Logan Forsythe. He can play any of the four positions across the dirt and could occasionally take some innings in the outfield. He has a league average wRC+, a .360 on base percentage, and is only signed through this season.


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 2:38 PM Post
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I would agree on the Bench player addition because that is a weakness as well and arm either for the pen or rotation.


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 3:03 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Right now the bench consists of three pretty horrible offensive players in Saladino, Pina, and Aguilar.

Gamel has been great but he really has been the only dependable bat coming from the bench. Even Braun has been terrible coming in as a sub this year (Although, he is a starter for the most part).

This year’s team could use another Jerry Hairston/Gerardo Parra type player coming from the bench. Could go a long way, especially if they do make the playoffs. Make it as tough as we can late in games to get those last outs.

Howie Kendrick but the Nationals probably will think they still have a shot at the playoffs.


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Posted: July 02, 2019, 8:42 PM Post
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The needed bench bat could be Shaw. Saladino is a slight downgrade downgrade from Perez. There needs to be 2 guys on the roster capable of playing SS though, and generally backup SS can't hit a lick unless they are horrible at SS. If a guy can play a decent SS and is a decent bat he's a starter.


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Posted: July 16, 2019, 6:26 AM Post
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I believe our window to a title ends after 2020. So here’s what I do:

Trade for Trevor Bauer.
Bauer > Ray/Lutz & Turang & Ashby & Lemons

Trade for Robbie Ray.
Ray > Burnes & Peralta

Trade for Alex Colome.
Dubon & Diplan & Greip

Trade for Ian Kennedy.
Kennedy & 9.5 mil. > T Williams & P Henry

Trade Chacín > prospects
Trade Albers > prospects

Rotation: Bauer Woodruff Ray Houser Davies

Bullpen: Anderson Peralta Gio Guerra Jeffress Kennedy Hader Colome

I try to win this year with the pitching I’ve traded for, and since I have them all back, I can go for it again next year.

Then after next year I Trade Yelich and Hader and Woodruff for 12 Stud prospects, offer QO’s to Bauer and Ray, so I get 2 supplemental 1st round picks plus my own 1st rounder, and I rebuild with the best farm in the game, all done in one offseason.

I convince my owner to raise the payroll For ONE ALL IN YEAR, with the understanding of the sell-off reducing payroll to ridiculously low figures for 1-3 years.


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Posted: July 16, 2019, 2:21 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
I believe our window to a title ends after 2020. So here’s what I do:

Trade for Trevor Bauer.
Bauer > Ray/Lutz & Turang & Ashby & Lemons

Trade for Robbie Ray.
Ray > Burnes & Peralta

Trade for Alex Colome.
Dubon & Diplan & Greip

Trade for Ian Kennedy.
Kennedy & 9.5 mil. > T Williams & P Henry

Trade Chacín > prospects
Trade Albers > prospects

Rotation: Bauer Woodruff Ray Houser Davies

Bullpen: Anderson Peralta Gio Guerra Jeffress Kennedy Hader Colome


I've been rolling this general premise around in my head a bit and it might be the best option. I think the Indians are trying to win, so I don't see them trading Bauer. Maybe you go for Greinke instead with Ray as the headliner...having them send back 15-20 million. I also will say I like your targets other than Bauer, but I don't like any of those trades at all. Also, Chacin/Albers are getting minimal return if traded. Chacin might get the Cashner return at best...Albers will get a 25 year old in high a with no upside.

The general premise of going big this deadline though, I think I might like it. We've also seen how trades can help energize your core players and spark winning streaks.


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Posted: July 16, 2019, 4:31 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
I believe our window to a title ends after 2020. So here’s what I do:

Trade for Trevor Bauer.
Bauer > Ray/Lutz & Turang & Ashby & Lemons

Trade for Robbie Ray.
Ray > Burnes & Peralta

Trade for Alex Colome.
Dubon & Diplan & Greip

Trade for Ian Kennedy.
Kennedy & 9.5 mil. > T Williams & P Henry

Trade Chacín > prospects
Trade Albers > prospects

Rotation: Bauer Woodruff Ray Houser Davies

Bullpen: Anderson Peralta Gio Guerra Jeffress Kennedy Hader Colome


I've been rolling this general premise around in my head a bit and it might be the best option. I think the Indians are trying to win, so I don't see them trading Bauer. Maybe you go for Greinke instead with Ray as the headliner...having them send back 15-20 million. I also will say I like your targets other than Bauer, but I don't like any of those trades at all. Also, Chacin/Albers are getting minimal return if traded. Chacin might get the Cashner return at best...Albers will get a 25 year old in high a with no upside.

The general premise of going big this deadline though, I think I might like it. We've also seen how trades can help energize your core players and spark winning streaks.


This is right, go big or go home. ALL in..It's why you signed Moose and Grandal in the off season. You have probably a 2 or 3 year window left..take advantage of every single year of that window while you can. If it fails, it wasn't for lack of trying.


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Posted: July 17, 2019, 7:32 AM Post
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Keith , I’ve re-thought my trade idea’s after reading your post. I believe the tribe to want to win, and they need Bauer to do that so, I agree, he’s off the table. And after reading JosephC’s trade proposal on Ray, and your critique on my trades:

Trade for Robbie Ray.
Ray > Turang & Supek & Bello

Trade for Alex Colome.
Colome > lutz/Ray & B Francis & Diplan

Trade for Ian Kennedy.
Kennedy & 9.5 mil > Z Brown & Barnes

Trade Chacín > lottery
Trade Albers > lottery

Rotation: Woodruff Ray Davies Houser Gio/Peralta

Bullpen: Anderson Gio/Peralta Guerra D Williams Jeffress Kennedy Hader Colome


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Posted: July 17, 2019, 7:50 AM Post
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With Grandy and Moose, we have a better shot at the playoffs now than next year. It's at about 5 to 10% for me if we retain just one of them, and the production between C and 3B will not be as high next year regardless of what happens this offseason.

Because of this, I see the team buying big at the deadline. A big name starter that is controlled for 2 or 3 years, helping them for next year, along with a couple of relief arms on the cheaper side, prospect wise, would be my guess.

I would not be surprised to see 4 or 5 of our top 10 prospects moved, along with one of our 1B. We are not in rebuild mode. That will happen IMO around 2021 or 2022 when we move Yelich, Hader, Shaw, Woodruff, etc.


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Posted: July 17, 2019, 9:13 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Keith , I’ve re-thought my trade idea’s after reading your post. I believe the tribe to want to win, and they need Bauer to do that so, I agree, he’s off the table. And after reading JosephC’s trade proposal on Ray, and your critique on my trades:

Trade for Robbie Ray.
Ray > Turang & Supek & Bello

Trade for Alex Colome.
Colome > lutz/Ray & B Francis & Diplan

Trade for Ian Kennedy.
Kennedy & 9.5 mil > Z Brown & Barnes

Trade Chacín > lottery
Trade Albers > lottery

Rotation: Woodruff Ray Davies Houser Gio/Peralta

Bullpen: Anderson Gio/Peralta Guerra D Williams Jeffress Kennedy Hader Colome


Those trades seem a lot closer to me from a value standpoint, it's hard to come even close to accurate on who might be traded for what guy...but the idea of nabbing 1 solid starter and 2 relievers...all with 1.5 years of team control seems about right. Again, I could also see us going for Greinke...but that's tougher.


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Posted: July 17, 2019, 5:33 PM Post
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As others have said I think we can strike Bauer's name off the table. The Indians are now just 4.5 games out of first and just .5 game out of the wild card. The Twins are also starting to show some signs of regressing to the mean (since June 4th they are a .500 team).

The Giants are now just 2.5 games out of the WC. Are they still selling or do they wait it out? I am guessing they are not in a rush now. They just passed the Rockies and Padres in their own division and could pass the Dbacks very soon. Do the Dbacks sell with 1 game out of the WC?

If the Giants and Dback do not sell the starting pitching market really dries up.


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Posted: July 17, 2019, 7:26 PM Post
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In case others have not heard the injury updates out of Cleveland regarding its starters....

Corey Kluber tossed a 20 pitch bullpen today (1st off the mound since his injury). It seems to have gone well so there is hope a few more bullpens will lead to a rehab start before 7/31 and Kluber could be back for the Tribe before the end of August...

Cookie Carrasco is still around the team and playing catch with various players. This past Sunday was with Kluber out in the outfield. IF (and I mean IF) he comes back this season, its great. No one is really counting on his return this season but I think no one would be surprised if Cookie is back out on the mound in 2020.

Danny Salazar (yes that old name) has now made 4 rehab STARTS between appearances in Arizona (2) and AA Akron (2). IF no setbacks, his 30 day rehab calendar ends by 7/30. In his last rehab Salazar went 3 IP (58 pitches/ 38 strikes). Salazar is out of options but the work as a starter is intriguing. Perhaps there is a message in there.

Mike Clevinger continues to pitch well returning from injury. He went 6 IP allowing 6H, 1 BB, 1 run allowed while recording 12 Ks on 100 pitches (68 strikes) on weds nite vs the Tigers.. I think he is fully back to form.

Why all this? Consider if 2 of the top 3 names return to play this year. Add 2 to Clevinger, Bieber, Plesac, & Plutko. It means the Tribe could afford to deal Bauer IF their asking price is met..


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