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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: One Week to Decide...
Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:19 AM Post
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A sell off of guys we won’t have next year is still probably the smart play but it’s most likely not going to happen.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:28 AM Post
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They aren't going to sell...just no way. As far as waiting until after the Cubs series...I think that's a bit dangerous in that they could REALLY use a starter to take Woodruff's spot in the rotation for that series. I'm not(and I sure as hell hope the Brewers aren't) comfortable, trotting out Aaron Wilkerson or anyone else currently in the organization to make that start in a series that COULD ultimately determine who wins the division. Be nice to have an outside arm by tomorrow at the latest.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:29 AM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
They aren't going to sell...just no way. As far as waiting until after the Cubs series...I think that's a bit dangerous in that they could REALLY use a starter to take Woodruff's spot in the rotation for that series. I'm not(and I sure as hell hope the Brewers aren't) comfortable, trotting out Aaron Wilkerson or anyone else currently in the organization to make that start in a series that COULD ultimately determine who wins the division. Be nice to have an outside arm by tomorrow at the latest.


With the off days over the next week, they don’t need another starter until Aug. 3rd if they want to go that route. So yes, they can wait it out a bit if they want to.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:30 AM Post
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Mudville9 said:
I don't know, I think the injury to Woody keeps us out of the major buyer category unless its a player with a bit of control. It will be interesting to see what happens between the Cubs and Cards.


Yeah maybe we will hear better news after the MRI but if he is out 6-8 weeks it as big of a minus as any one player we could have hoped to add. Hard to be major buyers when you just have a setback like that, he is a big reason we are even talking about still buying.

But I don't see a selloff either, the last week means we are almost for sure still right in the thick of things at the deadline, add a second tier reliever or 2 and see what happens.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:32 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
They aren't going to sell...just no way. As far as waiting until after the Cubs series...I think that's a bit dangerous in that they could REALLY use a starter to take Woodruff's spot in the rotation for that series. I'm not(and I sure as hell hope the Brewers aren't) comfortable, trotting out Aaron Wilkerson or anyone else currently in the organization to make that start in a series that COULD ultimately determine who wins the division. Be nice to have an outside arm by tomorrow at the latest.


With the off days over the next week, they don’t need another starter until Aug. 3rd if they want to go that route. So yes, they can wait it out a bit if they want to.


They can, and they more than likely will. Trying to make a deal the day after your top starter goes on the injured list is all sorts of bad optics. Losing Woodruff sucks ... but he wasn't the only member of the rotation who has been pitching well.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:34 AM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
They aren't going to sell...just no way. As far as waiting until after the Cubs series...I think that's a bit dangerous in that they could REALLY use a starter to take Woodruff's spot in the rotation for that series. I'm not(and I sure as hell hope the Brewers aren't) comfortable, trotting out Aaron Wilkerson or anyone else currently in the organization to make that start in a series that COULD ultimately determine who wins the division. Be nice to have an outside arm by tomorrow at the latest.


But it’s likely not going to happen that quickly, just with the vast number of teams that are waiting till after this weekend at the earliest to do anything with any trades. But I’m with you on the buying big, and competing for a title this year and next.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 1:17 PM Post
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I'm all for getting a couple small pieces to see if we can make the WC, but I think it would be a mistake to trade for a big name player this year with Woody out for at least a few weeks. I would much rather keep the farm intact and see where we are next year. Hopefully, Brown, Peralta, Burnes and Ray can bounce back and get us a little more value for a push to the WS. I understand that we could get hot this year, and I get that we could suck next year, I just think our odds are better next year.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 3:30 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status ... 89152?s=21


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 3:38 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1153416223293489152?s=21


Gotta love all the posturing. GM's will probably start actually talking on July 31st about 3 hours before teh deadline.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 3:52 PM Post
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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1153416223293489152?s=21


I think this is perfect, IF it's reality...time for Stearns to swoop in on someone under the cover of darkness so to speak and get the guy(s) he wants. Beat everyone else to the punch.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 3:59 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1153416223293489152?s=21


I think this is perfect, IF it's reality...time for Stearns to swoop in on someone under the cover of darkness so to speak and get the guy(s) he wants. Beat everyone else to the punch.


“The price tag remains exorbitant for the available players” but it’s perfect?

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 4:05 PM Post
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It's perfect if you don't mind overpaying exorbitantly ........


Considering the current state of the Brewers waiting is fine.......we don't have the farm system to make big deadline trades every season......

If the price comes down fine.......then you have something to consider.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 4:10 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1153416223293489152?s=21


I think this is perfect, IF it's reality...time for Stearns to swoop in on someone under the cover of darkness so to speak and get the guy(s) he wants. Beat everyone else to the punch.


“The price tag remains exorbitant for the available players” but it’s perfect?


Define exorbitant...that's what I'd like to know. Have a feeling, GM's are all trying to get "discounts" on guys, instead of just paying the price(s) that is required. One man's "exorbitant", is another's "opportunity". You can't expect to pay Walmart prices when guys are worth more than that. Think GM's are just being panzies and the prices are actually fairly reasonable, but they just don't want to pay them.

Scared money don't make money.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 4:16 PM Post
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Well, what you think and what it actually is might be very different. If the demand for quality players is high and you are only getting them from a couple of teams, I'd be willing to bet that the prices being asked might be pretty ridiculous. But that is just my opinion towards it. Not much action going on yet so the tweet might have some credibility to it.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 4:46 PM Post
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I think it's as simple as front offices adjusting to the new deadline. This would normally be "kicking the tires" time and there's no room for that this year. So yea, asking prices will be high today. But I expect there will be plenty of activity at the deadline, these borderline teams will wait until the weekend and then decide if they're sellers.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:22 PM Post
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Unless I'm completely wrong about what the Brewers can get for guys like Grandal, Moustakas, and/or Thames, I couldn't disagree more with the premise that the Brewers should be sellers.

They are technically in the wild card game as of today, and have been in the top 5 in the NL for most of the season. They were 29 games above .500 last year and 10 games above .500 the year before, so it's no fluke. They have survived absolutely disastrous seasons by multiple solid to good players. On paper, they arguably have a better roster than they had even last year. Granted, some of the regression is almost certainly going to be persistent (Aguilar, Pina, probably Cain due to age) but by large I think regression to the mean is in their favor.

And it's not like they have an obvious guy who they can trade to signal a rebuild, like Braun in 2016 or Greinke in 2012. It was (or in the case of Braun, should have been) an extremely obvious choice to trade those guys for financial reasons, long-term planning, and a good return, but none of those things are issues with Moustakas, Thames, or Grandal - unless I'm completely wrong about the prospects they can get, like I said.

Just get a few relievers and roll the dice on guys like Aguilar, Cain, Burnes, Peralta, and Chacin playing better. It's not far-fetched at all, and I'd even say it's more likely than not. It's an easy choice.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:34 PM Post
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They are technically in the wild card game as of today, and have been in the top 5 in the NL for most of the season.


They're a pitching-starved team that just lost their ace who they've ridden to a bunch of wins this year. Hiura, Thames and Braun are nicked up heading into one of the most important weeks of the season thus far. They're going to have to decide whether filling the 3-4 holes they have is worth it, and I won't be shocked if they decide it's not if they drop a bunch of games this week.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:35 PM Post
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Does someone seriously still think we should sell? Seriously? It is not happening. They literally hold a postseason spot right now and just games out of the division.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:52 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
coolhandluke121 said:
They are technically in the wild card game as of today, and have been in the top 5 in the NL for most of the season.


They're a pitching-starved team that just lost their ace who they've ridden to a bunch of wins this year. Hiura, Thames and Braun are nicked up heading into one of the most important weeks of the season thus far. They're going to have to decide whether filling the 3-4 holes they have is worth it, and I won't be shocked if they decide it's not if they drop a bunch of games this week.


Woodruff hasn't spent any more time as the staff "ace" than Nelson, Davies, Chacin, Guerra, or Anderson have in the past. In fact, he's probably had a shorter stint there than any of those guys did in their best seasons. And Gonzalez has had the best career of any of them. It's a team effort, and all they need is for some of their pitchers to return to serviceable career norms to weather the loss of Woodruff and improve their record. They don't need any of them to return to their career best form.

It's annoying to watch them pitch like this, but it's reactionary to dismiss their chances at this point. Especially since they've slumped at least this bad shortly before and after the ASB each of the last two years as well, only to turn it around both times. They'll be fine.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:53 PM Post
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The reason we got Moose & Grandal on cheap one year deals in the first place is because both players had soft markets.

The draft pick teams didn't want to give up to sign Grandal would have been a 40 FV prospect. I don't see anyone giving us anything better than that now for two months of Yasmani.

With the way teams value prospects I don't think two months of Moose gets you anything more than a 40 FV guy either.

I'll take two months of competitive baseball & a possible postseason berth over a couple two tree middling prospects.


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