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Sell Mode: Now Buy Mode, We Got Lyles, Pomeranz, Black, and Faria!!

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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Sale is back on...
Posted: July 25, 2019, 9:46 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
mlloyd10 said:
Did I really read that someone would turn down Tatis, Paddock, Gore and Mejia for Hader.

Wow...that might be the dumbest take I have read on this board


Yes..I said that..go ahead and think its dumb all you want..Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up..just my philosophy..im doing whatever I can to capitalize on that window now..Hader is a big part of that..heck im trying to resign Moose and Grandal as well and make a HUGE offer to Geritt Cole or another top FA pitcher.

And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


Tatis? He has helped the Padres an awful lot. He has a .992 OPS and is extremely good and would be a ridiculous upgrade at shortstop.

Paddack is an ace like ...now. He has also helped the Padres a lot.

These guys have 12 years control remaining between the two before you even look at the 'prospects'.

I mean...I can't with this. Any GM who did not trade Hader for these four would be immediately fired for gross negligence.


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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Sale is back on...
Posted: July 25, 2019, 9:57 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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If you trade Moose, you just play Shaw. It’s not going to be much of a drop off.

And a team taking on Grandal would pay him about $6M.


I'm literally going to be worried about you and your mental health if they end up buying..especially buying big.


[laughing] You’re becoming the next joke around here and you don’t even realize it. If they buy, they buy.. but I don’t think it’s the smart play. Honestly, the way your cry on these message boards, we should probably check in with you in August 1st and we haven’t Hiura traded for elite pitching.


You don't understand..i don't want them to trade Hiura at all..but I also want them to have an elite arm(s)
The Brewers have NEVER produced a truly elite arm..but they have produced elite hitters..the only way the Brewers will EVER have elite pitching is to either A. Buy it in free agency(my preference) or B. Trade for it. If that means sacrificing Hiura for it..so be it I guess..but id rather they find another way to acquire it..I'm just so tired of seeing guys like Doug Davis, Jeff Suppan and Zach Davies toeing the rubber for the Crew and guys like that who should be #4 or #5 starters have been the Brewers #1 or #2 in a lot of cases. Enough Already! Get at least two guys that are lights out and let's go..they'll find hitting.


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Posted: July 25, 2019, 10:04 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
mlloyd10 said:
Did I really read that someone would turn down Tatis, Paddock, Gore and Mejia for Hader.

Wow...that might be the dumbest take I have read on this board


Yes..I said that..go ahead and think its dumb all you want..Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up..just my philosophy..im doing whatever I can to capitalize on that window now..Hader is a big part of that..heck im trying to resign Moose and Grandal as well and make a HUGE offer to Geritt Cole or another top FA pitcher.

And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


Like 4.5 games behind the Brewers?

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Posted: July 25, 2019, 10:07 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up.


You'd be selling one major contributor and getting two in return and two elite prospects on top of that. Not that the Padres would ever trade those 4 for a reliever. Preller isn't dumb.

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And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


Their record is only 5 games worse than ours and we were going for it this year while they weren't, so good point.

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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Sale is back on...
Posted: July 25, 2019, 10:11 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
mlloyd10 said:
Did I really read that someone would turn down Tatis, Paddock, Gore and Mejia for Hader.

Wow...that might be the dumbest take I have read on this board


Yes..I said that..go ahead and think its dumb all you want..Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up..just my philosophy..im doing whatever I can to capitalize on that window now..Hader is a big part of that..heck im trying to resign Moose and Grandal as well and make a HUGE offer to Geritt Cole or another top FA pitcher.

And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


The bold part, why give a dumb fantasy trade idea from a team clearly not buying a Hader for 4 up and comers? It's an easy no because SD isn't remotely looking to add.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 5:12 AM Post
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Baseball America released their mid-season top 100 prospects and the Brewers are the only team in baseball without a player on it.

Our farm system has no real blue chip prospects (assuming Huira is untouchable now) with which to make a major trade.

Our farm system could sure use some restocking of sorts.

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Posted: July 26, 2019, 5:52 AM Post
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Baseball America released their mid-season top 100 prospects and the Brewers are the only team in baseball without a player on it.

Our farm system has no real blue chip prospects (assuming Huira is untouchable now) with which to make a major trade.

Our farm system could sure use some restocking of sorts.


These kinds of things do go in ebbs and flows a bit when you're coming out of a rebuild. In 2016 following the Lucroy trade we had one of the better systems and used the top of it in the Yelich deal. We do have a weak system, but the last wave of higher end prospects in our pipeline produced the Yelich trade (Brinson, Diaz, Harrison, Yamamoto), and Keston Hiura, two elite bats in our MLB lineup right now. (Yelich is already elite, Hiura you could argue is on his way there).

I think you make that trade every time. I can't imagine what our lineup would look like now without those two.

A lot of our regression, I think, is guys like Lutz, Brown, and Erceg not taking the next step like we had hoped so far.

Grisham, however, has taken that step, and I think he's still criminally underrated. If you were to ask someone, without knowing who they were, where they would rank a top 15 pick from 2015, a high school draftee who is now a 22 year out outfielder carving up AAA with an OPS over 1.100 in the PCL and .950 overall in 2019 between the PCL and Southern League, with 23 HR in 353 ABs, I think they would almost unanimously have the guy in their top 50 prospects. Yet Grisham still gets very little recognition.

There's other guys with upside, but as we see with many of our young guys, it's not always a sure thing. Still, to me, Grisham and Turang are our blue chip prospects and IMO Grisham at the very least should be a top 100 guy. If the national sports media doesn't recognize him as such, that's fine. I guess I have a different definition of a blue chip prospect than you because to me, no one is untouchable.


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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Sale is back on...
Posted: July 26, 2019, 7:06 AM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
mlloyd10 said:
Did I really read that someone would turn down Tatis, Paddock, Gore and Mejia for Hader.

Wow...that might be the dumbest take I have read on this board


Yes..I said that..go ahead and think its dumb all you want..Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up..just my philosophy..im doing whatever I can to capitalize on that window now..Hader is a big part of that..heck im trying to resign Moose and Grandal as well and make a HUGE offer to Geritt Cole or another top FA pitcher.

And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


I'll make this very simple for you

Tatis = 3.5 WAR
Paddock = 2.2 WAR

Hader 2.0 WAR

I would trade Hader for just those two alone. Tatis very well could be the best SS in the game - Imagine a faster/better fielding Hirua - Thats Tatis

Tatis would automatically be our 2nd best player on offense


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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Waiting on Cubs Series
Posted: July 26, 2019, 7:24 AM Post
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Yeah Paddack would immediately slot in as the 1A to Woodruff's 1B when he (Woodruff) returns and give us years of those two at the top of our rotation and Tatis and Hiura would be the best middle infield bat combination in MLB and in franchise history and give us an insane 1-2-3 punch in the order of Yelich-Hiura-Tatis.

Losing Hader would suck but it's something that you can afford to go out and fix now that you've got the top of your rotation and middle infield cost controlled for the next 6 years -- this would be an insanely lopsided trade in our favor and the Padres would never even be so foolish as to offer it, much less as we would be foolish to turn it down.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 7:38 AM Post
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mlloyd10 said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
mlloyd10 said:
Did I really read that someone would turn down Tatis, Paddock, Gore and Mejia for Hader.

Wow...that might be the dumbest take I have read on this board


Yes..I said that..go ahead and think its dumb all you want..Im just not selling ANY major contributor to the major league club until Yelich's control is up..just my philosophy..im doing whatever I can to capitalize on that window now..Hader is a big part of that..heck im trying to resign Moose and Grandal as well and make a HUGE offer to Geritt Cole or another top FA pitcher.

And besides..how much have those players helped the Padres this year? What's their record again?


I'll make this very simple for you

Tatis = 3.5 WAR
Paddock = 2.2 WAR

Hader 2.0 WAR

I would trade Hader for just those two alone. Tatis very well could be the best SS in the game - Imagine a faster/better fielding Hirua - Thats Tatis

Tatis would automatically be our 2nd best player on offense


This shows how much of a flawed a "stat" WAR really is. By it's definition, Paddack is 2.2 wins better than a replacement level starting pitcher, but Hader is only 2.0 wins better than a replacement level relief pitcher.

To anyone who knows anything about baseball, Hader is one of the Top 20 most valuable players in the game and far and away the most valuable at his position.

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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Waiting on Cubs Series
Posted: July 26, 2019, 7:41 AM Post
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Yeah trading Hader would suck but imagine the prospect package you could get back. If some team is willing to give up the farm to get Hader then you have to seriously consider it. I don’t think trading Hader puts this team that far back.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:11 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
Preller isn't dumb.

The agents for Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado are ROTFL.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
trwi7 said:
Preller isn't dumb.

The agents for Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado are ROTFL.


The Hosmer move was pretty clearly an ownership thing and while I probably don't want Machado's deal...eh, he's doing pretty well so far.


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Offline  Re: Sell Mode: Waiting on Cubs Series
Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:20 AM Post
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So apparently we aren't the only insane fanbase. Cubs fans are talking about selling as well. I simply don't understand all the selling talk...


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:30 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
So apparently we aren't the only insane fanbase. Cubs fans are talking about selling as well. I simply don't understand all the selling talk...


While I don’t see it from them, they could sell off a few and go after the headliners this offseason.

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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:32 AM Post
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Gentleman's agreement in the NL Central, we all sell and restock for the future and someone still gets to make the playoffs.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:34 AM Post
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Astros, Brewers, Yankees are among teams interested in Robbie Ray. Dbacks, in wild card race, are still evaluating their seller/buyer stance.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 8:36 AM Post
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The selling thing makes sense if we get swept this week.end. It we lose 2 maybe. If we win 2 or more there is no way we sell. The real debate is if we lose 2 of 3. If this team found a way to grab a reliever and solid starter they would still be a tough out in the playoffs with woodruff returning


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 9:03 AM Post
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I haven't read through the entire thread. What are people recommending selling outside of Hader? Grandal and Moustakas? I don't like the way the Brewers are playing or their pitching. They really need one of Shaw, Aguilar, or Thames to start hitting, but the foundation is still here to get hot and make a run at things. Anything can happen if they can just get in; they have the talent offensively to do some damage. I know they don't have much of a farm system to work from but I'd sell what's left to try to acquire some pitching. They don't have anything to logically sell that would bring back much significant, imo

If they are not intent on ever trying Hader as a starter (that does seem remote at this point) then you could talk me into seeing what teams are willing to offer for him. That might change my opinion on selling.

Mostly I'm willing to see where things play out. It doesn't have a good feel but the 2nd Wild Card, as much as I don't like it leaves the door open a bit wider. Acquire a starter and see if you can get hot.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 9:16 AM Post
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Just can't see anyway they can sell as long as they don't get swept here. A shrewd Moose trade to the AL due to having Shaw as a replacement I could see but I can't see them punting while 3 games out.

Also, that Pads trade is ridiculous. Honestly, you should probably trade Hader straight up for Tatis if offered just out of everyday SS is more valuable than a reliever and he is/was a 'mega prospect' type who's performing immediately. He's the type you get and try to immediately lock him up to buy out a couple years of arby. Let alone if they add in a current proven starter and two other prospects then it's not even close.


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