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Posted: July 29, 2019, 9:33 AM Post
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Still think Baltimore's Dylan Bundy could be Jake Arrieta 2.0 with a change of scenery.

Controlled through 2021. Hope he's on Stearns radar as a buy low candidate.

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Posted: July 29, 2019, 10:46 AM Post
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I wonder if the Brewers could handle the Trevor Bauer experience...

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Posted: July 29, 2019, 10:59 AM Post
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I wonder if the Brewers could handle the Trevor Bauer experience...


Don’t want Bauer anywhere near the Brewers clubhouse.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 11:06 AM Post
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The more I think about it, the more Grienke makes sense. The Brewers don't have the farm to go after high-powered names like Thor, but they could be able to get Grienke if they're willing to take on most of the contract. They'd have to be willing to do so, obviously, but it wouldn't cost them as much as other options.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 11:15 AM Post
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Don't think Brewers can afford or would be willing to add Greinke's $32Million per season to the payroll through 2021.

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Posted: July 29, 2019, 11:16 AM Post
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Don't have to take on the ENTIRE salary. Obviously, the more you do, the less you have to offer, though.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 11:58 AM Post
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How much would a trade of both Ray and Greinke cost?


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:00 PM Post
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mlloyd10 said:
How much would a trade of both Ray and Greinke cost?


Take on all of Greinke and it might not be too crazy.

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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Post
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brooks_quichenick said:
Harvey'sWBs said:
I wonder if the Brewers could handle the Trevor Bauer experience...


Don’t want Bauer anywhere near the Brewers clubhouse.


Other than Cleveland being ravaged with injuries this year and not adding enough on offense, therefore putting them at only 19 games over .500, what in the past few years of Cleveland's performance would suggest that he's going to be a locker room problem?

Now, I have concerns on the pitcher himself given he's falling back to pre-2017 form and do think he's a bit crazy...but if he's a locker room problem, it doesn't really seem so in the W-L column.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:03 PM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
Still think Baltimore's Dylan Bundy could be Jake Arrieta 2.0 with a change of scenery.

Controlled through 2021. Hope he's on Stearns radar as a buy low candidate.


On one hand we don't have much to lose given the alternative to Bundy is AAA fodder...on the other hand, you'd better be pretty certain you know what's wrong with Bundy immediately or you're going to waste the rest of 2019 with him getting shelled finding out and you're going to give up prospects in doing so.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:11 PM Post
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Just taking him out of the AL East will help big time. Seems like a good target to me based on team control and that he has basic competency as it is to go with still a lot of upside. All depends on what you have to give up but one would think they can't be demanding too much.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:20 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
mlloyd10 said:
How much would a trade of both Ray and Greinke cost?


Take on all of Greinke and it might not be too crazy.

I posed this on Twitter the other day. One stop shopping in Arizona:

Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and Archie Bradley

If the Brewers could eat a substantial amount of the 2 years+ $80m+ left on Greinke's deal, might Arizona be willing to deal Ray and Bradley for a lesser prospect package. I still think it would cost Dubon, Ray and Lutz type package but, if the financials work, I think that trade immediately vaults the Brewers above the Cubs and Cardinals in the Central.

A rotation that has a top 3 of Woodruff, Ray and Greinke would be real nice.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:42 PM Post
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Wheeler and Lugo please. I want to keep a significant amount of payroll flexibility this offseason and into next year. If we add too much and are a middling contender again next year we are going to be stuck with way too many old expensive veterans and no farm system to speak of and the early-to-mid-to-late 2020s are going to be miserable.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 12:49 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Brew4U said:
mlloyd10 said:
How much would a trade of both Ray and Greinke cost?


Take on all of Greinke and it might not be too crazy.

I posed this on Twitter the other day. One stop shopping in Arizona:

Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and Archie Bradley

If the Brewers could eat a substantial amount of the 2 years+ $80m+ left on Greinke's deal, might Arizona be willing to deal Ray and Bradley for a lesser prospect package. I still think it would cost Dubon, Ray and Lutz type package but, if the financials work, I think that trade immediately vaults the Brewers above the Cubs and Cardinals in the Central.

A rotation that has a top 3 of Woodruff, Ray and Greinke would be real nice.



I LOVE this idea...I would change one thing though, instead of Bradley, how about Chafin instead?? Probably the best LH reliever available.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 1:14 PM Post
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Posted: July 29, 2019, 1:36 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Brew4U said:
mlloyd10 said:
How much would a trade of both Ray and Greinke cost?


Take on all of Greinke and it might not be too crazy.

I posed this on Twitter the other day. One stop shopping in Arizona:

Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and Archie Bradley

If the Brewers could eat a substantial amount of the 2 years+ $80m+ left on Greinke's deal, might Arizona be willing to deal Ray and Bradley for a lesser prospect package. I still think it would cost Dubon, Ray and Lutz type package but, if the financials work, I think that trade immediately vaults the Brewers above the Cubs and Cardinals in the Central.

A rotation that has a top 3 of Woodruff, Ray and Greinke would be real nice.


The problem is the payroll would approach $170-180M. Not affordable in any way, shape, or form.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 1:57 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
Brew4U said:

Take on all of Greinke and it might not be too crazy.

I posed this on Twitter the other day. One stop shopping in Arizona:

Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and Archie Bradley

If the Brewers could eat a substantial amount of the 2 years+ $80m+ left on Greinke's deal, might Arizona be willing to deal Ray and Bradley for a lesser prospect package. I still think it would cost Dubon, Ray and Lutz type package but, if the financials work, I think that trade immediately vaults the Brewers above the Cubs and Cardinals in the Central.

A rotation that has a top 3 of Woodruff, Ray and Greinke would be real nice.


The problem is the payroll would approach $170-180M. Not affordable in any way, shape, or form.


I'm not sure it would get that high. This year's payroll would be $135 in the end given that they'd pay a little over $10 for the rest of the season.

Next year they could probably get back down to $130 if they make minimal moves and do not pick up options on Anderson, Thames or non-tender Shaw. Of course not all of those things are necessary. The following year, Braun would be mostly off the books.

You're right that the payroll would be too high but I think if they were very crafty they could keep it around $130-140, which is probably still unrealistic.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 4:15 PM Post
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Don't think Brewers can afford or would be willing to add Greinke's $32Million per season to the payroll through 2021.

Generally I agree with this, but it might not be as far-fetched as you think.

If neither of Grandal ($16M) nor Moose ($7M) come back, that's $23M right there. Add in Chacin ($6.75M) and Perez ($2.5M) and you are at $32.25M coming off the books. Plus Albers ($2.5M), Spangenberg ($1.2M, not sure if he has a split contract), and my guess is that Jeffress isn't back at the $4.3M team option (another $3.1M). Nelson ($3.7M) is another possible cut, and they could trade Anderson or Davies if they pick up Greinke. But it really depends on Grandal coming back.

My biggest concern with Greinke is his age - he's about to turn 36. I don't want to pay him $35M for his age 37 season.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 8:30 PM Post
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Greinke's no trade list...

Greinke can block a trade to the following teams: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and Toronto Blue Jays.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 8:34 PM Post
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shocked the brewers not on it must have liked milwaukee


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