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Posted: July 29, 2019, 8:39 PM Post
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I think you only want Greinke back if he wants to be here. He is kind of a weird dude.

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Posted: July 29, 2019, 8:40 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
Greinke's no trade list...

Greinke can block a trade to the following teams: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and Toronto Blue Jays.


Greinke? Waaaaay too big of salary. How is that affordable for next season? This acquisition would be the only major move the team could do for NEXT season.

Creative minds would have a major problem trying to get this thing accomplished to each side's satisfaction.


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Posted: July 29, 2019, 9:13 PM Post
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Any interest in Caleb Smith if the Marlins?


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 12:06 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
Still think Baltimore's Dylan Bundy could be Jake Arrieta 2.0 with a change of scenery.

Controlled through 2021. Hope he's on Stearns radar as a buy low candidate.


I would be on board if the price is right...

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Posted: July 30, 2019, 5:19 AM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
Greinke's no trade list...

Greinke can block a trade to the following teams: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and Toronto Blue Jays.

In other words, assuming that list is accurate, here are the teams NOT included on Greinke’s no trade list:

* Atlanta Braves
* Miami Marlins
* New York Mets
* Washington Nationals
* Chicago Cubs
* Milwaukee Brewers
* Pittsburgh Pirates
* Tampa Bay Rays
* Chicago White Sox
* Cleveland Indians
* Kansas City Royals
* Houston Astros
* Seattle Mariners
* Texas Rangers


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 6:10 AM Post
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Any interest in Caleb Smith if the Marlins?


He took a big step this year, but he has extreme fly-ball tendencies. Thus, he relies on pitching in a cavernous park—Miller would not play to his strengths at all.

What is best in life? To crush the Cardinals, Cubs, and Manny Machado, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their fanboys.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 6:14 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
Greinke's no trade list...

Greinke can block a trade to the following teams: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and Toronto Blue Jays.

In other words, assuming that list is accurate, here are the teams NOT included on Greinke’s no trade list:

* Atlanta Braves
* Miami Marlins
* New York Mets
* Washington Nationals
* Chicago Cubs
* Milwaukee Brewers
* Pittsburgh Pirates
* Tampa Bay Rays
* Chicago White Sox
* Cleveland Indians
* Kansas City Royals
* Houston Astros
* Seattle Mariners
* Texas Rangers


That is such a Greinke list. No LA teams. No Yankees. Has the Pirates, Rays, Brewers and Royals.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 6:18 AM Post
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jjfanec said:
Eye Black said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
Greinke's no trade list...

Greinke can block a trade to the following teams: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Philadelphia Phillies, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and Toronto Blue Jays.

In other words, assuming that list is accurate, here are the teams NOT included on Greinke’s no trade list:

* Atlanta Braves
* Miami Marlins
* New York Mets
* Washington Nationals
* Chicago Cubs
* Milwaukee Brewers
* Pittsburgh Pirates
* Tampa Bay Rays
* Chicago White Sox
* Cleveland Indians
* Kansas City Royals
* Houston Astros
* Seattle Mariners
* Texas Rangers


That is such a Greinke list. No LA teams. No Yankees. Has the Pirates, Rays, Brewers and Royals.


And actually if you think about it, the Brewers stand out on this list..a bunch of non contenders, Astros are going other places for Pitching, Cubs don't need him, nor do the Nats(their focus is bullpen), and I can't see the Braves doing it either.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 6:27 AM Post
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Greinke? Waaaaay too big of salary. How is that affordable for next season? This acquisition would be the only major move the team could do for NEXT season.

Creative minds would have a major problem trying to get this thing accomplished to each side's satisfaction.


You set a price on the remaining contract that you're willing to pay relative to the 2019 budget and beyond, then talk prospects beyond that. The trade value site has Grienke valued significantly negatively because of his contract, despite how great he's been this year. If the Brewers have the flexibility to take on a chunk of that, their prospect cost should stay fairly low.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 8:37 AM Post
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Can someone explain why Wheeler is such a hot guy at the trade deadline? His numbers don't scream anything to me...Lots of K's, ok, what else? I realize that ERA isn't the only stat, but 4.71? Seriously?

Andy Martino of SNY.tv hears from a rival executive that they "fully expect" the Astros to acquire Zack Wheeler from the Mets.

Martino hears from other sources that the Braves, Brewers, Yankees, and Athletics could be among the clubs involved in talks. However, there's a lot of smoke with the Astros at the moment, suggesting that they could indeed be the favorites. The Mets have also discussed trading Noah Syndergaard, but the pricetag will be much higher than Wheeler since he carries another year of team control. Wheeler, an impending free agent, holds a 4.71 ERA and 137/34 K/BB ratio over 124 1/3 innings.

Source: Andy Martino on Twitter

Jul 30, 2019, 9:47 AM ET


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 8:41 AM Post
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Can someone explain why Wheeler is such a hot guy at the tradeline? His numbers don't scream anything to me...Lots of K's, ok, what else? I realize that ERA isn't the only stat, but 4.71? Seriously?

Andy Martino of SNY.tv hears from a rival executive that they "fully expect" the Astros to acquire Zack Wheeler from the Mets.

Martino hears from other sources that the Braves, Brewers, Yankees, and Athletics could be among the clubs involved in talks. However, there's a lot of smoke with the Astros at the moment, suggesting that they could indeed be the favorites. The Mets have also discussed trading Noah Syndergaard, but the pricetag will be much higher than Wheeler since he carries another year of team control. Wheeler, an impending free agent, holds a 4.71 ERA and 137/34 K/BB ratio over 124 1/3 innings.

Source: Andy Martino on Twitter

Jul 30, 2019, 9:47 AM ET


There just isn't many decent rental starters available, hence the huge perceived interest in Wheeler. Decent peripherals point to the idea that he's a guy that could improve if he gets out of that trainwreck of a team he's on.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 8:42 AM Post
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Can someone explain why Wheeler is such a hot guy at the tradeline? His numbers don't scream anything to me...Lots of K's, ok, what else? I realize that ERA isn't the only stat, but 4.71? Seriously?

Andy Martino of SNY.tv hears from a rival executive that they "fully expect" the Astros to acquire Zack Wheeler from the Mets.

Martino hears from other sources that the Braves, Brewers, Yankees, and Athletics could be among the clubs involved in talks. However, there's a lot of smoke with the Astros at the moment, suggesting that they could indeed be the favorites. The Mets have also discussed trading Noah Syndergaard, but the pricetag will be much higher than Wheeler since he carries another year of team control. Wheeler, an impending free agent, holds a 4.71 ERA and 137/34 K/BB ratio over 124 1/3 innings.

Source: Andy Martino on Twitter

Jul 30, 2019, 9:47 AM ET


Depends on one's outlook.

I think most would agree that he turned a corner in 2018 and put in an excellent season.

So what is it in 2019? Is his style doomed in the juiced ball era? LOB%, BABIP, HR/FB, hard hit %, etc. are up.

Or is he just unlucky and you're going to get a 3.50 ERA/FIP/xFIP guy? The peripherals suggest his ERA should be a point lower.

He's arguably the same pitcher he was last year, the one that did put up good numbers that were legit...it's either luck or the juiced ball hurting him.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 8:42 AM Post
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You know once the Astros get wheeler he turn into a CY just seems to happen with that team.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:12 AM Post
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Lets hear some predictions on where the following starting pitchers end up (if anywhere) over the next day....

Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - ?

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - ?

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - ?

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - ?

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - ?

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - ?

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - ?

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - ?

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - ?

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - ?


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:22 AM Post
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Here are my predictions...

Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - Not Traded

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - Padres

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - Braves

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Yankees

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Not Traded

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - Not Traded

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - Not Traded

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - Twins

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - Astros

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - Phillies


I'll predict the Brewers make a late run at acquiring Alex Wood after their top targets don't workout. I do think they'll add a significant bullpen addition of some sort, however.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:25 AM Post
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Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - NO TRADE

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - PADRES

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - NO TRADE

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - YANKEES

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - NO TRADE

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - NO TRADE

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - NO TRADe

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - TWINS

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - ASTROS

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - ATHLETICS

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:31 AM Post
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Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - Stays put

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - Padres

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - Stays put

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Yankees

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Stays put (would love to put Brewers)

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - Stays put

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - Stays put

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - Brewers

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - Astros

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - A's


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:32 AM Post
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I'm not going to go through the whole list...but I'm calling my shot..one of the above named starters not named Tanner Roark, Caleb Smith or Trevor Bauer, will be a Milwaukee Brewer.


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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:35 AM Post
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Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - Brewers

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - Brewers

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - Brewers

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Brewers

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Brewers

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - Brewers

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - Brewers

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - Brewers

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - Brewers

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - Brewers

imma nail at least one of these

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Posted: July 30, 2019, 10:38 AM Post
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torts said:
Trevor Bauer, RHP, Cleveland Indians - Brewers

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, New York Mets - Brewers

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, San Francisco Giants - Brewers

Robbie Ray, LHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Brewers

Zack Greinke, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks - Brewers

Caleb Smith, LHP, Miami Marlins - Brewers

Matthew Boyd, LHP, Detroit Tigers - Brewers

Mike Minor, LHP, Texas Rangers - Brewers

Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets - Brewers

Tanner Roark, RHP, Cincinnati Reds - Brewers

imma nail at least one of these


The beauty of it is we can just quote which one(s) end up correct and you’ll live on as a BF.net legend. I think you’ve got this whole prediction thing figured out. [laughing]


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