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Posted: July 27, 2019, 12:38 PM Post
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I wouldn't be shocked if the Brewers found a way to get Syndergaard, it would probably take Davies and Shaw plus a prospect package to make up for us not having top prospects but it's the Mets so I wouldn't write us off just because it seems hard to compete with our prospects. I would rather they would just spend money and less player capital on Greinke but that's the cross we bear in this league, I just can't see them committing to picking up most of his salary when they passed on Kimbrell/Keuchel.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 12:42 PM Post
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OnTheBlack said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
PeaveyFury said:
I’d rather use resources for Diaz, honestly.


Why?? Right now they ABSOLUTELY need a starter. Not saying Thor or someone like that, but they absolutely cannot, CANNOT use the "bullpen" approach, or use Wilkerson etc as Chacin's replacement. Not in the middle of a pennant race. That would be downright negligent.



Because not everyone wants the Brewers to be so extraordinary short sighted in their pursuits of building a team that can sustain success. I get where you're coming from. But you're waaaaay out there. At least when it comes to this board in how you're valuing immediate impact and future impact.

That type of desperation gets you on the "worst trades of all time list," currently circulating on ESPN.


You worry about today now...and worry about the future when it gets here.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 12:49 PM Post
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One of many scenarios #Mets are exploring, per sources: Syndergaard to #Padres, then using some of return to land Stroman from #BlueJays. Not known which players would go from SD to NYM if deal occurred. RHP Cal Quantrill, a Canadian native, would be logical target for TOR.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 1:02 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
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One of many scenarios #Mets are exploring, per sources: Syndergaard to #Padres, then using some of return to land Stroman from #BlueJays. Not known which players would go from SD to NYM if deal occurred. RHP Cal Quantrill, a Canadian native, would be logical target for TOR.


This seems stupid. I have a hard time seeing the return on thor being THAT much better than the return on stroman. Also the 1/2 year of stroman this year is wasted on them, so hard to see them winning the bidding on stroman anyways. I get the feeling the Mets FO thinks they are smarter than every other team.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 1:42 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
Ken Rosenthal
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One of many scenarios #Mets are exploring, per sources: Syndergaard to #Padres, then using some of return to land Stroman from #BlueJays. Not known which players would go from SD to NYM if deal occurred. RHP Cal Quantrill, a Canadian native, would be logical target for TOR.


This seems stupid. I have a hard time seeing the return on thor being THAT much better than the return on stroman. Also the 1/2 year of stroman this year is wasted on them, so hard to see them winning the bidding on stroman anyways. I get the feeling the Mets FO thinks they are smarter than every other team.



That would be a baffling move....and actually make sense for the Mets at the same time. The comment about the FO seems like a perfect description of them?

Is that owner still recovering from the Maddoff scheme or what? They just don't seem like the behave like they should. They don't seem particularly smart and they don't seem to be investing in their farm system. I guess they spent money to bring Cano and Diaz back, but they gave up their top prospects in order to do so.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 1:43 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:

You worry about today now...and worry about the future when it gets here.




No, YOU do that. Most people on the board try to balance the two.

Good luck with retirement though....


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 2:09 PM Post
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Brewcrewin07 said:
PeaveyFury said:
I’d rather use resources for Diaz, honestly.


Why?? Right now they ABSOLUTELY need a starter. Not saying Thor or someone like that, but they absolutely cannot, CANNOT use the "bullpen" approach, or use Wilkerson etc as Chacin's replacement. Not in the middle of a pennant race. That would be downright negligent.


Because the Brewers have about 5 holes to fill, and if they’re going to use their very limited amount of resources to try and plug them, I’d rather go and get a guy that is likely to make a significant impact now but won’t command the price that Thor will based on name alone. Diaz is a great opportunity to buy on a bad first half and hope the Mets are dumb enough to under sell on him, which they might be.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 2:20 PM Post
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To be honest, now that the Dbacks are focused on selling, I'd be all over Greinke or Ray


Ray is a FA in 2021 and the prospects they'd want would be enormous. I don't know if the Brewers have the type of prospects the D'backs would accept for Ray or if Stearns would empty the farm for 1 1/3 years with Ray. Greinke would cost $83-84M through 2021. The Brewers would have zero interest unless the D'backs included a huge chunk of money and the prospect cost was reasonable.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 2:31 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
PeaveyFury said:
I’d rather use resources for Diaz, honestly.


Why?? Right now they ABSOLUTELY need a starter. Not saying Thor or someone like that, but they absolutely cannot, CANNOT use the "bullpen" approach, or use Wilkerson etc as Chacin's replacement. Not in the middle of a pennant race. That would be downright negligent.


Because the Brewers have about 5 holes to fill, and if they’re going to use their very limited amount of resources to try and plug them, I’d rather go and get a guy that is likely to make a significant impact now but won’t command the price that Thor will based on name alone. Diaz is a great opportunity to buy on a bad first half and hope the Mets are dumb enough to under sell on him, which they might be.


I'd be wary of Diaz. He is having a horrendous year. In his last 30 games he has allowed at least one hit in 21 games and multiple hits in 9 of those 30 games. Hits and walks are way up over last year. There has to be a reason he went from a monster to a mop-up guy almost overnite.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 2:36 PM Post
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The Twins might be willing to part with either top prospect SS Royce Lewis or OF Alex Kirilloff in a trade for Mets RHP Noah Syndergaard.

The Mets have expressed interest in both prospects in return for their former ace. It is doubtful the Twins would part with both players but chief baseball officer Derek Falvey wouldn't rule out trading one or the other to bring in a major asset. Lewis was the first overall pick of the 2017 draft. Kirilloff was the 15th overall pick of the 2016 draft. Both players are ranked in the top 20 of MLB.com's newly released mid-seaon top 100 prospects list.

Source: The Athletic
Jul 27, 2019, 11:56 AM ET


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 3:11 PM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
PeaveyFury said:
Brewcrewin07 said:

Why?? Right now they ABSOLUTELY need a starter. Not saying Thor or someone like that, but they absolutely cannot, CANNOT use the "bullpen" approach, or use Wilkerson etc as Chacin's replacement. Not in the middle of a pennant race. That would be downright negligent.


Because the Brewers have about 5 holes to fill, and if they’re going to use their very limited amount of resources to try and plug them, I’d rather go and get a guy that is likely to make a significant impact now but won’t command the price that Thor will based on name alone. Diaz is a great opportunity to buy on a bad first half and hope the Mets are dumb enough to under sell on him, which they might be.


I'd be wary of Diaz. He is having a horrendous year. In his last 30 games he has allowed at least one hit in 21 games and multiple hits in 9 of those 30 games. Hits and walks are way up over last year. There has to be a reason he went from a monster to a mop-up guy almost overnite.


A horrendous year for a reliever amounts to 39 innings, in Diaz’s case. A perfect time to buy, especially from an organization that does everything wrong. Young, 3.5 years of control, and a history of domination.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 3:44 PM Post
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But what if that horrendous year continues the rest of this year if he were to become a Brewer?? Then they didn't gain much, and in fact maybe took a step back for the rest of this year. That seems way too risky for the here and now, obviously MIGHT turn out okay for the next couple years after that.

They should have gotten in on Diekman for as cheap as he went,.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 3:57 PM Post
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But what if that horrendous year continues the rest of this year if he were to become a Brewer?? Then they didn't gain much, and in fact maybe took a step back for the rest of this year. That seems way too risky for the here and now, obviously MIGHT turn out okay for the next couple years after that.

They should have gotten in on Diekman for as cheap as he went,.


Aren’t you similarly reliant on Thor being far better than his season so far as well, where he’s been outperformed by Zach Davies?


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 4:07 PM Post
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The Twins might be willing to part with either top prospect SS Royce Lewis or OF Alex Kirilloff in a trade for Mets RHP Noah Syndergaard.

The Mets have expressed interest in both prospects in return for their former ace. It is doubtful the Twins would part with both players but chief baseball officer Derek Falvey wouldn't rule out trading one or the other to bring in a major asset. Lewis was the first overall pick of the 2017 draft. Kirilloff was the 15th overall pick of the 2016 draft. Both players are ranked in the top 20 of MLB.com's newly released mid-seaon top 100 prospects list.

Source: The Athletic
Jul 27, 2019, 11:56 AM ET


If the Mets got both players for Syndergaard that would be a huge get for them but I really doubt it happens. The Twins need starting pitching. Outside of Berrios they haven't been good. Odorizzi has been really bad lately and the rest of the starters have ERAs over 4.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 4:13 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Brewcrewin07 said:
PeaveyFury said:
I’d rather use resources for Diaz, honestly.


Why?? Right now they ABSOLUTELY need a starter. Not saying Thor or someone like that, but they absolutely cannot, CANNOT use the "bullpen" approach, or use Wilkerson etc as Chacin's replacement. Not in the middle of a pennant race. That would be downright negligent.


Because the Brewers have about 5 holes to fill, and if they’re going to use their very limited amount of resources to try and plug them, I’d rather go and get a guy that is likely to make a significant impact now but won’t command the price that Thor will based on name alone. Diaz is a great opportunity to buy on a bad first half and hope the Mets are dumb enough to under sell on him, which they might be.


What are the 5 holes? 2 starters, 2 relievers and a SS? I would say they have 3. They need another starter. They need a another reliever. They need either a starting SS or a utility guy. The bullpen feels a lot more stable with Hauser and Peralta. One more reliever would allow a lot more flexibility and Claudio to be used as just a loogy.

Now they may not have the capital to do that but if they got those three pieces I see no reason they couldn't make the playoffs and then when you get there anything can happen


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 4:30 PM Post
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Would Turang, Corey Ray, Lutz, and Supak be a fair trade for both sides for Robbie Ray?


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 4:40 PM Post
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Would Turang, Corey Ray, Lutz, and Supak be a fair trade for both sides for Robbie Ray?


imo…...that is too much!

If Ray had 4 years of control, maybe, but I still wouldn't do it.

I'd pass if his cost is that high.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 5:03 PM Post
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turborickey said:
RWeeksFan23 said:
Would Turang, Corey Ray, Lutz, and Supak be a fair trade for both sides for Robbie Ray?


imo…...that is too much!

If Ray had 4 years of control, maybe, but I still wouldn't do it.

I'd pass if his cost is that high.


I agree. That seems like a lot for a guy who hasn't been great


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 5:11 PM Post
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Thor isn't gettable without Hiura, so on that alone...it's a hard pass for me.


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Posted: July 28, 2019, 5:37 AM Post
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Ivan Nova pitched a gem for the White Sox last night beating the Twins. In his last 2 starts he's allowed one earned run over 15 innings. I predict he'll make his next start in a Brewer uniform.


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