LambeauLeap1250 WSSP


  
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 8  Next  [ 144 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply

Relief Pitching Options

Author Message
Offline  Relief Pitching Options
#1

Posted: July 01, 2019, 2:42 PM Post
Posts: 334
I was looking at relief options who wouldn't break the bank (no Burnes, Peralta, Huira, Turang, Lutz). Why? Hader won't have to go two innings and he can then go back to back days.

#1. Roenis Elias: With Hader, it would be a 7 inning game.
#2. Alex Colome: A notch better than Greene.
#3. Shane Greene: Package with Boyd but Burnes or Peralta would be included.
#4. Ken Giles: Should be reasonable.
#5. Ian Kennedy: Should be reasonable.
#6. Will Smith: The price is rising, Milwaukee may be outbid.
#7. Jake Diekman: Compliment to Albers/Jeffress in the 6th to 8th inning.
#8. Sean Doolittle: Better than what we have.
#9. Sergio Romo: I always wanted him to be a Brewer.
#10. Greg Holland: If all else fails. May be an improvement.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#2

Posted: July 01, 2019, 2:59 PM Post
Posts: 12137
Stearns has made a habit of adding White Sox relievers. Colome would be a nice addition. Cubs have interest in Will Smith too. Brewers can't let a team like the Cubs grab him ahead of them.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#3

Posted: July 01, 2019, 5:06 PM Post
Posts: 510
BrewCrewBlueDevil said:
I was looking at relief options who wouldn't break the bank (no Burnes, Peralta, Huira, Turang, Lutz). Why? Hader won't have to go two innings and he can then go back to back days.

#1. Roenis Elias: With Hader, it would be a 7 inning game.
#2. Alex Colome: A notch better than Greene.
#3. Shane Greene: Package with Boyd but Burnes or Peralta would be included.
#4. Ken Giles: Should be reasonable.
#5. Ian Kennedy: Should be reasonable.
#6. Will Smith: The price is rising, Milwaukee may be outbid.
#7. Jake Diekman: Compliment to Albers/Jeffress in the 6th to 8th inning.
#8. Sean Doolittle: Better than what we have.
#9. Sergio Romo: I always wanted him to be a Brewer.
#10. Greg Holland: If all else fails. May be an improvement.


I'm not so sure about Elias. 3.91 FIP - 4 BBs per 9 - more HRs and runs given up than he did all of last year.
I'd love Giles, but he would be costly $6.3M this year and arby eligible, to keep for 2020. What would the Jays take to let him go?
Smith or Doolittle too.
Kennedy is trying to re-invent himself as a reliever and who knows?
I don't think the Brewers have any package near what the Tigers would want for Greene and Boyd, but one can dream.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#4

Posted: July 02, 2019, 5:58 AM Post
User avatar
Global Moderator
Posts: 6575
JohnBriggs12 said:
Stearns has made a habit of adding White Sox relievers. Colome would be a nice addition.

My prediction is Álex Colomé, but my reasoning is no better than the number of former White Sox bullpen arms that the Brewers have acquired through either trade or waiver pickup/signing is seemingly endless.

The list of relief pitchers that were employed with the Brewers during Stearns’ tenure after pitching at some point in their career with the White Sox includes Anthony Swarzak, Joakim Soria, Xavier Cedeño, Matt Albers, Junior Guerra, Dan Jennings, Boone Logan, Jake Petricka, Juan Mariñez, Carlos Torres. There may be more, but you get the idea.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#5

Posted: July 02, 2019, 6:27 AM Post
Posts: 3060
Eye Black said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
Stearns has made a habit of adding White Sox relievers. Colome would be a nice addition.

My prediction is Álex Colomé, but my reasoning is no better than the number of former White Sox bullpen arms that the Brewers have acquired through either trade or waiver pickup/signing is seemingly endless.

The list of relief pitchers that were employed with the Brewers during Stearns’ tenure after pitching at some point in their career with the White Sox includes Anthony Swarzak, Joakim Soria, Xavier Cedeño, Matt Albers, Junior Guerra, Dan Jennings, Boone Logan, Jake Petricka, Juan Mariñez, Carlos Torres. There may be more, but you get the idea.


Well, if that’s the case, this ones gonna cost by far the most, prospect wise.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#6

Posted: July 02, 2019, 6:56 AM Post
User avatar
Global Moderator
Posts: 6575
Brew crew 92 said:
Well, if that’s the case, this ones gonna cost by far the most, prospect wise.

I think Dubon and another player closer to the backend of the Brewers top 30 prospects list would get it done. Something like Dubon and Je’Von Ward.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#7

Posted: July 02, 2019, 7:17 AM Post
Posts: 3060
Eye Black said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Well, if that’s the case, this ones gonna cost by far the most, prospect wise.

I think Dubon and another player closer to the backend of the Brewers top 30 prospects list would get it done. Something like Dubon and Je’Von Ward.


If that’s the approximate cost, then yes, sign me up for the trade. We’d also have the option to keep him next year as well. I thought, because he’s not a rental, and with his pedigree, plus him having arguably his best year, his cost would be higher.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#8

Posted: July 02, 2019, 7:30 AM Post
Posts: 33
Location: Madison, WI
Ken Giles is having a great season. There's reports that he's had a total attitude adjustment this year which has been one of the biggest knocks on him and probably was impacting his performance in past years. He would be my top choice if we were to splurge on a high end reliever at the deadline. But at the same time, probably a huge price tag.

1.29 ERA, 1.036 WHIP, 15.8 K/9
1.03 FIP, xFIP 2.09


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#9

Posted: July 02, 2019, 7:31 AM Post
Posts: 3060
Jake Diekman would also be a good get. Imo, a high K lefty, would help with match-ups vs teams like the dodgers, Cubbies, Braves. I think the cost would be more than reasonable. Would protect us somewhat from a Claudio slump, and from potentially calling up Hart again. Also adding 2 pen arms might free the crew to start Burnes again.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#10

Posted: July 02, 2019, 7:32 AM Post
Posts: 1790
Location: Madison, WI
I really like Sam Dyson. Has been a real solid reliever over the last five seasons outside of one terrible stretch at the beginning of 2017. Ground-baller who seems like he'd be a good Miller Park fit. Doesn't make so much money that the Brewers can't afford him but enough that will likely keep the asking price down.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#11

Posted: July 03, 2019, 8:12 AM Post
Posts: 1790
Location: Madison, WI
I'm taking Sean Doolittle off the list. The Nationals have been very sell-adverse. Last year they were 49-51 on July 24 and things were looking extremely bleak, and it still took them until the end of August to trade off Gonzalez to Milwaukee. Now that they've worked themselves to 2 games over .500, I don't see them as selling off any pieces.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#12

Posted: July 03, 2019, 11:04 AM Post
User avatar
Posts: 2637
JosephC said:
I'm taking Sean Doolittle off the list. The Nationals have been very sell-adverse. Last year they were 49-51 on July 24 and things were looking extremely bleak, and it still took them until the end of August to trade off Gonzalez to Milwaukee. Now that they've worked themselves to 2 games over .500, I don't see them as selling off any pieces.


I don't know if it's been bad luck or bad management, but I wouldn't sell if I was the Nats, either. They have one of the better rosters in the NL on paper. Last year their bullpen destroyed them and this year it's not much better, but given a healthy team I'd stick with it. They at least are in WC contention and might catch the Braves soon.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#13

Posted: July 03, 2019, 11:56 AM Post
Posts: 4642
This is outside the box and probably unrealistic given that the Mets just dealt for him, but what about Edwin Diaz? He's having a bad year for the Mets, but if the price is ok I'd like to take a shot at adding him to the back end of the Brewers' pen. Easy to forget how good he was for the Mariners last season, and he doesn't reach free agency until after the 2022 season.

Wonder if the Mets and Brewers line up as trading partners - a Wheeler/Diaz package is pretty intriguing to me as it would give the Brewers a dependable starter that could get on a dominant roll as he approaches free agency and a controllable late inning reliever with closing experience.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#14

Posted: July 03, 2019, 11:30 PM Post
User avatar
Posts: 9889
They can move Ray at this point for the right guy.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#15

Posted: July 04, 2019, 11:55 AM Post
Posts: 1790
Location: Madison, WI
Cam Bedrosian is an interesting guy if the Angels would be open to trading him.

Since the beginning of 2016:
190 IP, 3.08 ERA, 3.35 FIP, 1.23 WHIP, 0.8 HR/9, 3.5 BB/9, 9.8 K/9

He's been really helped by a ridiculously low .225 BABIP number this season, but even after making the adjustment he is still been a 3.31 FIP, 3.93 xFIP pitcher so far this season. GB% of 53.3% ranks 41st out of 402 pitchers who has thrown 20+ innings this season, so he might be a decent fit for Miller Park.

Looks like he was mostly a 6th/7th inning guy but this year has 34 seventh inning outs and 39 eighth inning outs.

He's having a career year WAR-wise. Average bWAR/fWAR since 2016:
2016 = 1.15
2017 = 0.15
2018 = 0.30
2019 = 0.75 (pro-rates to 1.5 over a full season)
So take the full year number and the average season bWAR/fWAR over the last four years would only be 0.78 WAR per season.

Under team control for 2.5 years. Was a Super Two so he's already in year #2 of arbitration, but only makes 1.75 million this season.

Probably would be considered good for about 2.2 wins over the next 2.5 seasons. 2.2 * 9 = 19.8 million minus 7.5 million in earnings results in a surplus value of 12.3 million but there is no way the Angels would get that or likely even ask for that as he's a decent, but not special middle reliever. The BaseballTradeValue site only has him as being worth 0.1, which seems to be a ridiculously low number to me. 5-6 million dollars in surplus value seems like a reasonable number for someone like Bedrosian, and I'd be interested in him at that price.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#16

Posted: July 05, 2019, 12:09 PM Post
Posts: 2040
Fear The Chorizo said:
This is outside the box and probably unrealistic given that the Mets just dealt for him, but what about Edwin Diaz? He's having a bad year for the Mets, but if the price is ok I'd like to take a shot at adding him to the back end of the Brewers' pen. Easy to forget how good he was for the Mariners last season, and he doesn't reach free agency until after the 2022 season.

Wonder if the Mets and Brewers line up as trading partners - a Wheeler/Diaz package is pretty intriguing to me as it would give the Brewers a dependable starter that could get on a dominant roll as he approaches free agency and a controllable late inning reliever with closing experience.


Interesting. But, I think the Brewers will first look to trade for a good starting pitcher that has a year and a half left. Unless it is someone like Gio last year that just isn't going to cost alot period.

2019 and 2020 seem to be the window and that pitcher would replace Chacin for 2020. I would plan on trading Yelich going in 2021, like Arizona did with Goldy.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#17

Posted: July 06, 2019, 8:58 AM Post
Posts: 19233
Any chance the Mets sell low on Edwin Diaz? They aren't going anywhere.

He's a pretty extreme rebound candidate, and controllable.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#18

Posted: July 06, 2019, 9:12 AM Post
Posts: 1790
Location: Madison, WI
Mets gave up a considerable amount in the Diaz trade. I would guess the asking price on him would be extremely high. The ERA and hard hit rates are ugly, but his K/BB ratio is still really good and he currently owns a 2.87 xFIP. There has been no significant loss in fastball velocity. I think there would be a ton of interest in him if he hit the market.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#19

Posted: July 06, 2019, 9:12 AM Post
User avatar
Global Moderator
Posts: 6575
adambr2 said:
Any chance the Mets sell low on Edwin Diaz? They aren't going anywhere.

If he played for any other organization I would say the chances are slim to none (literally any of the other 29 orgs), but I wouldn’t put anything past the Mets at this point.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Offline  Re: Relief Pitching Options
#20

Posted: July 06, 2019, 10:02 AM Post
Posts: 1790
Location: Madison, WI
Taking the numbers from 2017, 2018 and pro-rating 2019 to a full season, and Edwin Diaz only comes out as a 1.4 bWAR/fWAR player. That number is probably artificially pushed down by the pitiful -0.4 bWAR he's been credited with so far this year. With 3.5 years on control left, I'd put his surplus value at about 28 million assuming he's a 1.4 WAR per season player over the remainder of those years of team control. I just checked the baseballtradevalue site, and they still have him at 55.5 million in surplus value, which probably was a pretty reasonable number at the beginning of the season.

Based on that, I'd think the lowest the Mets would go would probably be in the 30 million range, which when looking at the Brewer's system would equal something like Turang + Ashby + Nottingham. Way too rich for me.


 Top
 
Quote   Reply 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 8  Next  [ 144 posts ]  New Topic   Add Reply
  


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AKCheesehead, ThisIsMyCrew and 11 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search this forum (phpBB search):
Jump to:  
Search entire board (Google search):
Google
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Test