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Posted: July 10, 2019, 9:57 AM Post
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I am with everyone else when it comes to Hiura. It just doesn't make sense to deal him. However, with the Brewers historic lack of success in developing SP, I think it behooves them to try and acquire an elite talent like Thor and any and all bats outside of Hiura in the minors should be available. I would like to hang on to Turang but would be willing to sacrifice him in order to get Thor. He is my only hitter in the minors I would be really hard pressed to deal. Anyone else is up for grabs.

What is the likelihood of the Mets accepting Ray, Lutz and Freddy Peralta as the main pieces with a low level lottery ticket thrown in?


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 9:59 AM Post
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What is the likelihood of the Mets accepting Ray, Lutz and Freddy Peralta as the main pieces with a low level lottery ticket thrown in?


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 10:11 AM Post
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if I was a betting man Wheeler will be pitching in the AL East come Aug


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if I was a betting man Wheeler will be pitching in the AL East come Aug


I wouldn't be too sure. Just because an AL east teams wants him...doesn't mean they automatically get what they want. There will be a ton of teams putting bids in for Wheeler. Also keep in mind the Yankees and Mets don't trade that often.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 10:26 AM Post
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Am I crazy to think Turang is probably our best trade piece at this point? Hader/Keston are out. Seems like the only position player in the system with actual star potential. Seems like any deal for someone as good as Thor would need him in it. Still doubt we have enough to trump others. Turang, Peralta, their choice of Arcia/Dubon, Brown or Supak is probably about the best we can do and I doubt it gets it done. Plus we can't really eat a bad contract either like an LAD can do. But I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on the farm as many here.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 10:37 AM Post
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Am I crazy to think Turang is probably our best trade piece at this point?


It is Turang and it isn't even remotely close after him. Then after that it is probably Lutz and Dubon...then it really falls off.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 10:38 AM Post
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Am I crazy to think Turang is probably our best trade piece at this point? Hader/Keston are out. Seems like the only position player in the system with actual star potential. Seems like any deal for someone as good as Thor would need him in it. Still doubt we have enough to trump others. Turang, Peralta, their choice of Arcia/Dubon, Brown or Supak is probably about the best we can do and I doubt it gets it done. Plus we can't really eat a bad contract either like an LAD can do. But I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on the farm as many here.


I agree that Turang is probably the best of the team's tradable pieces, and is starting to gain some helium as a high-end prospect. I think Lutz arguably has more prospect upside, but he hasn't had that breakout season to put him on the national radar yet. So much depends on what the Mets are looking for. If they want pieces that are close t ML ready, guys like Grisham, Peralta/Burnes, Arcia/Dubon and Brown/Supak will have high appeal. If they want guys with arguably higher upside, Turang, Lutz and Ashby will hold more appeal. I personally think Ashby is going to be a stud, so perhaps I hold him in higher regard than I should.


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This deal should be so easy to get done...Burnes, Peralta, Arcia, and if they want another minor piece, so be it. Get it done, have the press conference. Easy Peasy.


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https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/11 ... 32674?s=21

If San Diego really wants him, there’s no way the Brewers could compete with their prospect capital.


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MrTPlush said:
tmwiese55 said:
Am I crazy to think Turang is probably our best trade piece at this point?


It is Turang and it isn't even remotely close after him. Then after that it is probably Lutz and Dubon...then it really falls off.


In the minors, yes it's Turang for sure. I would argue Burnes/Peralta still hold more value than Turang at this point...and both are young enough with enough team control that they can easily be considered young controllable talent with upside. I'm also obviously not a scout, but maybe scouts would like the changes Grisham has made and could view him in the Lutz/Dubon category. Reminder he's only 22, I think scouts would need to like what they see though considering his struggles the last couple years. Maybe a team still dreams on Ray's upside, but unlikely. Also don't forget Supak, his numbers have been incredible.


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https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1148996055381532674?s=21

If San Diego really wants him, there’s no way the Brewers could compete with their prospect capital.


That's why you use pieces that are currently with the big league club..Peralta, Burnes, Arcia. Still young guys and under control, but proven major league talent. If I'm the Mets, that's what I want.


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brooks_quichenick said:
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1148996055381532674?s=21

If San Diego really wants him, there’s no way the Brewers could compete with their prospect capital.


Yeah Padres could easily pony up 2 of their stud pitchers for Thor. While they clearly can blow us out of the water if they want to, we have enough to make offers competitive with what the Padres would likely offer. There is certainly a limit on how much they'll give up for Thor.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 11:32 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
MrTPlush said:
tmwiese55 said:
Am I crazy to think Turang is probably our best trade piece at this point?


It is Turang and it isn't even remotely close after him. Then after that it is probably Lutz and Dubon...then it really falls off.


In the minors, yes it's Turang for sure. I would argue Burnes/Peralta still hold more value than Turang at this point...and both are young enough with enough team control that they can easily be considered young controllable talent with upside. I'm also obviously not a scout, but maybe scouts would like the changes Grisham has made and could view him in the Lutz/Dubon category. Reminder he's only 22, I think scouts would need to like what they see though considering his struggles the last couple years. Maybe a team still dreams on Ray's upside, but unlikely. Also don't forget Supak, his numbers have been incredible.

Burnes/Peralta for sure have more value than Turang. Top 100 lists are mainly compiled based on scouts/teams opinions and Ray was back in it heading into the season. Sucks that he was injured in ST and then didn't say anything. Grisham, Nottingham, Brown aren't far behind Lutz/Dubon.

Quality MLB talent is and always will be the best spot in the system to trade from but we're still not landing Thor


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Teams have their OWN lists, top 100 lists are for the fans to have a General idea who SOME of the better prospects are. Clubs prospect lists are done in real time, example would be, Grisham, who’s currently not highly rated on prospect lists, would be on teams lists, because they have scouts that have seen him play recently, teams know he’s broken out. Same with Rasmussen. We have far more quality prospects than public lists are showing,imo.

Thor is the type of move Stearns will not make. Injury concerns and price will keep him away, imo.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 12:12 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Teams have their OWN lists, top 100 lists are for the fans to have a General idea who SOME of the better prospects are. Clubs prospect lists are done in real time, example would be, Grisham, who’s currently not highly rated on prospect lists, would be on teams lists, because they have scouts that have seen him play recently, teams know he’s broken out.


This is a good point. The break-out guys are typically the ones who are traded at this time of year. Guys who are injured or are underperforming are sometimes added as PBNL types, but are rarely headliners.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 12:14 PM Post
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Might be an initial conversation for DS to better understand the middling prospects the Mets are interested in, then switching gears and use those prospects as centerpieces for a Wheeler trade while leaving off the headliners. I know the Mets are a weirdly run franchise, but you don't make all the offseason moves they did last year only to trade away a power arm with lots of team control remaining. Wheeler will be dealt, no question about it - Syndergaard would cost too much in prospect capital.


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KeithStone53151 said:
Jopal78! said:
I suppose Syndergaard is only available because the Mets area franchise in disarray.

If Jose Quintana with 3.5 years of team control cost the Cubs Eloy Jimenez, Dylan Cease and others.

The Brewers don’t have a comparable prospect to Jimenez and trading Syndergaard for lower level minor leaguers signals the Mets are going to rebuild; thus they’d likely demand Turang, Lutz, Devin Williams, and a pitcher Bettinger, Ashby etc.


Jimenez was in A ball at the time of the trade. He was highly regarded, but not a top 5 prospect in baseball at the time. Cease had a good year coming back from injury but again...just was coming back from TJ and had serious command issues. The rest of the return was meh. I like both prospects and as a Brewer fan, loved the trade...but those prospects look better now than they did when traded for.

That said, I do generally agree that we don't have a prospects of the caliber Jimenez was even at the time of trade. Turang is close, maybe the speed/defense is enough to cancel out Jimenez tremendous power...hard to say. We do have pitchers of roughly similar value as Cease, but nobody with his combination of draft pedigree and upside.

My guess for Syndergaard, they want one of our two young pitchers and a couple more good prospects. Something like Peralta + Lutz + stuff. Maybe we get lucky and they value Ray highly instead of Lutz?


I beg to differ on your recollection of that Quintana trade. Eloy was absolutely one of the top 5-7 prospects in baseball at that time. And, I remember Cease being a Top 100 prospect as well. I specifically recall being shocked at how much the Cubs gave up for a guy in Quintana that was a solid SP with team control, but not anything even remotely close to a true ace. There was a small part of me that was ticked off that the Cubs outbid us for him, but that anger was quickly squashed when I saw that the Cubs had to give up a budding superstar in Eloy and a really good looking pitching prospect in return. No way did I want the Brewers to do that.


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 12:16 PM Post
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I sure the mets know what in our farm system and who can best help them. on the other hand we are talking about the Mets


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According to Jon Morosi of MLB.com, the Padres inquired with the Mets recently about the availability of Noah Syndergaard.

Morosi reported Tuesday night that the Brewers and Astros have both expressed interest in the 26-year-old right-hander, and now San Diego is apparently considering making a serious play. The Padres have a loaded farm system and certainly carry the chips to get a deal done, but it's going to be a high asking price and Syndergaard has been rather mediocre this season. That said, his career numbers are fantastic and he is under control through the 2021 season. The Padres tried to acquire Syndergaard from the Mets over the winter, so this new round of negotiations will come with some familiarity in expectations between the two front offices.

Source: Jon Morosi on Twitter
Jul 10, 2019, 12:47 PM ET


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Posted: July 10, 2019, 12:27 PM Post
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So, if we deal Arcia, like so many here seem to want to do, who is our SS for the remainder of this season? Are you really willing to count on Dubon or Saladino to carry that load? We know what we have in Saladino, which isn't much, and Dubon is a total mystery at this level.

That is a bit scary to me.

I am soooo against trading Turang and Lutz, I truly believe they are our future, along with Hiura.


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