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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:01 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
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If you're trading Grandal and Moose then you're trading Thames, Chacin, Albers and everyone else with an expiring contract/option and letting young guys/Shaw take over and calling it a season. You don't need to make every single player available in order for it to be a fire sale. I used 10 games just as an example, not the bar that I'm setting, meaning if we're out by a sizeable number of games then it would make sense to sell off all those guys but right now we're not.

I just don’t think fire sale is the right term for what the Brewers would be trying to accomplish by selling. The idea of a “Baseball Fire Sale” is to trade players away for the mere sake of salary relief more so than any sort of valuable return. It’s a financial reset of sorts where you start over with younger, cheaper players. I don’t think the Brewers primary motivation would be to shed expensive contracts, I think they would be looking to receive some value from players that aren’t likely to be part of their plan in 2020.

Like we’ve both stated, the Brewers are several losses away yet from the idea of selling becoming a reality.

Interesting. I never felt it was solely tied to finances just thought that was merely one aspect of it. Thanks


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:13 AM Post
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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:20 AM Post
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It sort of galls me that that joke of a franchise won 2 World Series while we went through like 20 years of misery.


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:32 AM Post
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It sort of galls me that that joke of a franchise won 2 World Series while we went through like 20 years of misery.


Think about how the Cubs felt watching the Marlins win 2 WS championships in their first decade of existence...


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:51 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
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I wouldn't trade Grandal as we're 1.5 games out of the division with a lot of games left. If we fall 10 games back by the end of July then you can do a fire sale but I don't see that happening.

Trading players on expiring contracts like Grandal (and Moustakas) isn’t a fire sale.

They have just 16 games remaining in July. I agree that they would need to lose a lot more games (probably at least 10+), but I don’t think 10 games out would be the parameter for selling. If they end up greater than 6.0 games out of both the division and wild card with several teams between them and the playoff position, then I would be disappointed if they didn’t engage in the concept of selling. I’ve brought it up before in the sell thread (link), but the 2016 Yankees are a good example of an average team that used a few trades at the deadline to improve their future outlook.



I'm getting to the point where I don't care much about where they are. It comes down to a couple players over the next couple weeks. Aguilar, Burnes, Davies, Hiura, Chacin...even Shaw to a lesser degree. If we continue to sit around the top of the NLC but those guys continue to struggle, we're likely not going to do much anyway. Might as well get some value in return and re-load for next year.


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 11:51 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
Wahoo Maniac said:
I wouldn't trade Grandal as we're 1.5 games out of the division with a lot of games left. If we fall 10 games back by the end of July then you can do a fire sale but I don't see that happening.

Trading players on expiring contracts like Grandal (and Moustakas) isn’t a fire sale.

They have just 16 games remaining in July. I agree that they would need to lose a lot more games (probably at least 10+), but I don’t think 10 games out would be the parameter for selling. If they end up greater than 6.0 games out of both the division and wild card with several teams between them and the playoff position, then I would be disappointed if they didn’t engage in the concept of selling. I’ve brought it up before in the sell thread (link), but the 2016 Yankees are a good example of an average team that used a few trades at the deadline to improve their future outlook.



I'm getting to the point where I don't care much about where they are. It comes down to a couple players over the next couple weeks. Aguilar, Burnes, Davies, Hiura, Chacin...even Shaw to a lesser degree. If we continue to sit around the top of the NLC but those guys continue to struggle, we're likely not going to do much anyway. Might as well get some value in return and re-load for next year.


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Posted: July 14, 2019, 7:09 AM Post
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Oxy said:
OldHeidelberg said:
It sort of galls me that that joke of a franchise won 2 World Series while we went through like 20 years of misery.


Think about how the Cubs felt watching the Marlins win 2 WS championships in their first decade of existence...


Everyone always talks about the Cubs streak of losing. Yes, the 100+ years is quite the feat in futility, but at least they had franchise championships under their belt. We are at 50 years now, and while we’d have to do more than that all over again, and then some, we have nothing to fall back on. Now that the Cubs have won it again, we kind have sort of taken over the loser role as a franchise, just without the lovable part.


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Posted: July 14, 2019, 9:32 AM Post
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At the start of the year when this team was on a roll, it was a non issue. Did Grandal suddenly start calling for different pitches in different situations? I highly doubt it.

I don't know who you're referring to but I've been saying Grandal sucks at calling pitches since game one with us.

You're safe, pretty sure he was talking about people that joined the board more than two weeks ago [wink]


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