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Posted: October 09, 2019, 1:09 PM Post
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trwi7 said:
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I'd have no problem giving up Corey Ray who has been a complete bust at AAA last year.


Okay, but why would Arizona want him?



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Corey Ray was not a bust this year. He was injured during much of the season.

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trwi7 said:
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I'd have no problem giving up Corey Ray who has been a complete bust at AAA last year.


Okay, but why would Arizona want him?


For the same reason the 2019 Brewers found value is former perceived prospect bust Trent Grisham - we as stupid fans tend to give up on this guys long before intelligent front office people deem their careers to be over.


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Posted: October 09, 2019, 4:21 PM Post
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trwi7 said:
wntrtxn21 said:
I'd have no problem giving up Corey Ray who has been a complete bust at AAA last year.


Okay, but why would Arizona want him?


For the same reason the 2019 Brewers found value is former perceived prospect bust Trent Grisham - we as stupid fans tend to give up on this guys long before intelligent front office people deem their careers to be over.


Okay but Grisham has never posted an OBP lower than Ray at any level while also being several years younger than the average player at these levels with good walk and strikeout rates. Ray has none of that going for him.

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Posted: October 09, 2019, 5:17 PM Post
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Okay but Grisham has never posted an OBP lower than Ray at any level while also being several years younger than the average player at these levels with good walk and strikeout rates. Ray has none of that going for him.


Just saying that it wouldn’t be unprecedented for Ray to put himself back on the prospect map in short order.


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Posted: December 15, 2019, 4:50 PM Post
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Since the Dbacks acquired Madbum, Ray might be available.


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Posted: December 15, 2019, 5:04 PM Post
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As I said about Ray in the starting pitching thread, Ray seems like a bit of an enigma to me. Other than a GREAT 2017, his FIP numbers are bad, and he doesn't really log a lot of innings either. I think there's a chance you have to pay to acquire an all-star level pitcher who actually has Zach Davies-like numbers.


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As I said about Ray in the starting pitching thread, Ray seems like a bit of an enigma to me. Other than a GREAT 2017, his FIP numbers are bad, and he doesn't really log a lot of innings either. I think there's a chance you have to pay to acquire an all-star level pitcher who actually has Zach Davies-like numbers.


Well I don't see Davies ever approaching 12 K/9. I wonder if he could be reinvented as a high leverage pen arm rather than a middle of the rotation starter.


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Posted: December 15, 2019, 5:13 PM Post
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I suspect Ray will cost way too much to make it worth our while, but it would be amusing to have both Robbie Ray and Brett Anderson in the same rotation. Basically exact opposites.


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PeaveyFury said:
As I said about Ray in the starting pitching thread, Ray seems like a bit of an enigma to me. Other than a GREAT 2017, his FIP numbers are bad, and he doesn't really log a lot of innings either. I think there's a chance you have to pay to acquire an all-star level pitcher who actually has Zach Davies-like numbers.


Well I don't see Davies ever approaching 12 K/9. I wonder if he could be reinvented as a high leverage pen arm rather than a middle of the rotation starter.


Sure, the stuff is there. I just think his hype/cost is likely to exceed his expected results. Obviously, if the Brewers feel there's something they can harnes with him, I'd understand that as well.


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Have to wonder at this point if the 10.8 million he's projected to get in arbitration would actually be the prohibiting factor?


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Why would signing MadBum make Ray available?


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I think Ashby is the one guy who i think can be a quality young starter for the future.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 10:48 AM Post
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bill hAll Star said:
Why would signing MadBum make Ray available?


There was a report about 10 days ago that the Diamondbacks put Ray on the market and the asking price had come down to reasonable levels. Who knows what happened? Maybe the Diamondbacks approached Ray with a contract extension and he declined, so now they are willing to put him on the market and take a full year of return instead of the two month's return that they would get for him if they waited until the end of July.

Or else they figured they would win the Bumgarner bidding which might make Ray a spare piece in their eyes.

Bumgarner is their #1. Leake never misses a start so he's a reliable back-of-the-rotation piece. Weaver was pitching at the end of last year and looking good, not crazy to think that they would consider him their #2 (most would probably agree that he'll be better than Bumgarner if healthy). They made the Zac Gallen trade which was a fairly significant move that went under the radar, he pitched to a 2.81 ERA/3.61 FIP last year so he has the makings of a solid #3. So Bumgarner/Weaver/Gallen/Leake and then they would have Merrill Kelly (32 starts, 4.42 ERA/4.51 FIP) and Alex Young (15 starts, 3.56 ERA/4.81 FIP) to compete for the last spot, the loser of that still is a pretty decent insurance policy. Former top prospect Jon Duplantier is probably viewed as another insurance policy. They have enough depth to make this move.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 11:03 AM Post
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bill hAll Star said:
Why would signing MadBum make Ray available?


It doesn't by itself, but D-Backs have also been linked to Castellanos who's going to command something close to what Bumgarner got and they certainly would then be motivated to cut some salary elsewhere.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 11:30 AM Post
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bill hAll Star said:
Why would signing MadBum make Ray available?


I don't think the two are linked. But I've read reports of him being available. Also it's generally similar to them trading Goldschmidt with 1 year left to get some value for a FA to be.

Stearns made it sound like he's probably not adding anymore SP, which seems insane to me. I think the only way we win the division is with a Peralta/Burnes/Brown breakout campaign...at least one of those 3 needs to be 1b to Woodruff...and that's not likely.


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