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Posted: July 21, 2019, 6:00 AM Post
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Who is out there on the SS market? I don't think the Brewers should trade for one but CC obviously doesn't trust Arcia and we cannot continue playing Saladino can we? It seems like a weak SS market. One name I have seen is Freddy Galvis from the Blue Jay's.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 6:08 AM Post
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If the Brewers wanted to add a utility player via trade that could cover shortstop with regularity (bumping Saladino off the roster) that would also offer offensive production then I think the Marlins Miguel Rojas is the best option likely to be available. Rojas is under contract through next season (2020).

Ultimately I don’t think they will add a SS from outside the organization at this deadline.

Edit: Just saw Rojas injured his shoulder on Saturday, so depending on the severity he may not be a viable option.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 6:18 AM Post
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Another player that would fit the utility mold and could cover games at shortstop is the Rangers Logan Forsythe. His .363 OBP would look good in the current Brewers lineup. The 32-year old Forsythe would be a true rental.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 7:14 AM Post
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If you wanted to take on Brendan's Crawford's remaining salary, I'm sure the Giants would listen despite their recent surge.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 7:17 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
If the Brewers wanted to add a utility player via trade that could cover shortstop with regularity (bumping Saladino off the roster) that would also offer offensive production then I think the Marlins Miguel Rojas is the best option likely to be available. Rojas is under contract through next season (2020).

Ultimately I don’t think they will add a SS from outside the organization at this deadline.

Edit: Just saw Rojas injured his shoulder on Saturday, so depending on the severity he may not be a viable option.


I also dont think the Brewers should go get a SS but I also think Saladino should never see the starting lineup (ar most once a week). A better utility player would be great.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 8:22 PM Post
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As far as utility options go it sounds like the Rangers are listening to offers on super utility Danny Santana who can play some at SS. Santana is having a career year in Texas.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 10:01 PM Post
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Arcia for Galvis straight up.

I’ll give up a couple of extra years of Arcia for 2 years of Galvis. Galvis helps me win now. Would Toronto do it?


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 10:13 PM Post
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Arcia for Galvis straight up.

I’ll give up a couple of extra years of Arcia for 2 years of Galvis. Galvis helps me win now. Would Toronto do it?


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Head scratcher. Galvis is basically Arcia but almost 30. At least Arcia still has a fighting chance to be good.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 10:38 PM Post
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If I'm the GM of the Jays, I'm going to ask for another piece. Maybe, Ashby or that Rasmussen kid. All the while, I'm thrilled to do it straight up, but since your offer appears to be one of desperation, I want a little more!!


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 11:14 PM Post
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Galvis has a career high wRC+ of 100 this year driven by a career high BABIP of .323 (compared to a .288 mark prior to this season).

StatCast has him as the 30th "luckiest" hitter in MLB (min 100 PAs) so far with an expected wOBA of .286 versus an actual wOBA of .325. If you raise the PA threshold to 250 he has been the 12th "luckiest" hitter in MLB so far.

I think Stearns & company will just roll with Orlando/Saladino/Mauricio (if he isn't dealt) & hope one of them gets hot over dealing for a regression candidate like Galvis.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 5:56 AM Post
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Don't see a heck of a lot, maybe Tim Beckham of the Mariners if they are looking more utility. He is somewhat better offensively but losing some on defense. Still has talent but if the Orioles give up on you . . .


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:13 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Arcia for Galvis straight up.

I’ll give up a couple of extra years of Arcia for 2 years of Galvis. Galvis helps me win now. Would Toronto do it?


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Head scratcher. Galvis is basically Arcia but almost 30. At least Arcia still has a fighting chance to be good.


Because DIFFERENT!!! Because players not playing for the Brewers are automatically better because they are not playing for the Brewers!


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:31 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Arcia for Galvis straight up.

I’ll give up a couple of extra years of Arcia for 2 years of Galvis. Galvis helps me win now. Would Toronto do it?


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Head scratcher. Galvis is basically Arcia but almost 30. At least Arcia still has a fighting chance to be good.


Because DIFFERENT!!! Because players not playing for the Brewers are automatically better because they are not playing for the Brewers!


Just read jim’s 2 posts in the Arcia thread, go ahead and read them if you haven’t already, it puts into perspective how bad of a hitter Arcia’s been, and now that his defense has been lacking, he has to be one of the worst SS in baseball. Now maybe Galvis isn’t the answer, but, to not try to get better at the SS position of this team is ridiculous, imo.

It’s not just different. Just like it’s not just different to try to add a potential upgrade offensively at fourth outfielder.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 6:43 AM Post
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Just read jim’s 2 posts in the Arcia thread, go ahead and read them if you haven’t already, it puts into perspective how bad of a hitter Arcia’s been, and now that his defense has been lacking, he has to be one of the worst SS in baseball. Now maybe Galvis isn’t the answer, but, to not try to get better at the SS position of this team is ridiculous, imo.

It’s not just different. Just like it’s not just different to try to add a potential upgrade offensively at fourth outfielder.


At least I can understand wanting to upgrade from Arcia. His offense has been better than last year, but it still isn't good. And they aren't even playing him, so something is obviously up there. It sucks, because he's an uber-talented, home-grown 24-year-old kid who has shown elite defensive abilities and solid offensive potential. He's the type of athlete you build around, not jettison. I do understand if their patience with him is wearing thin, though. If they are going to upgrade from Arcia (who still has considerable upside), I sure as heck hope that they target someone better than Galvis, who as Brew4u said, is basically an older, less talented version of Arcia.

Your insistence on upgrading from Gamel continues to be much more in the ridiculous category, though, IMO.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 7:23 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brew crew 92 said:

Just read jim’s 2 posts in the Arcia thread, go ahead and read them if you haven’t already, it puts into perspective how bad of a hitter Arcia’s been, and now that his defense has been lacking, he has to be one of the worst SS in baseball. Now maybe Galvis isn’t the answer, but, to not try to get better at the SS position of this team is ridiculous, imo.

It’s not just different. Just like it’s not just different to try to add a potential upgrade offensively at fourth outfielder.


At least I can understand wanting to upgrade from Arcia. His offense has been better than last year, but it still isn't good. And they aren't even playing him, so something is obviously up there. It sucks, because he's an uber-talented, home-grown 24-year-old kid who has shown elite defensive abilities and solid offensive potential. He's the type of athlete you build around, not jettison. I do understand if their patience with him is wearing thin, though. If they are going to upgrade from Arcia (who still has considerable upside), I sure as heck hope that they target someone better than Galvis, who as Brew4u said, is basically an older, less talented version of Arcia.

Your insistence on upgrading from Gamel continues to be much more in the ridiculous category, though, IMO.


Nailed it. Brew Crew 92, you found a player that isn’t an upgrade. Yes he’s having a nice year (finally) but you’re giving up on a player that is cheap, controlled, and has tons of talent for a player that isn’t.

There’s also this:
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On the flipside Segura posted a 78 wRC+ in 1,927 PAs with the Brewers & has gone on to post a 113 wRC+ in 2,278 PAs since, so there is still a tiny sliver of a glimmer of hope (howsoever dim it may be).


Sometimes it takes longer. The Brewers offense is good enough that just tossing away Arcia is a really bad idea. They are not desperate.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 7:37 AM Post
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Miguel Rojas, how would he adjust to Miller Park? Seems to be a pretty steady player the last three years averaging over 2 WAR playing SS but also can play other positions.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 8:06 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brew crew 92 said:

Just read jim’s 2 posts in the Arcia thread, go ahead and read them if you haven’t already, it puts into perspective how bad of a hitter Arcia’s been, and now that his defense has been lacking, he has to be one of the worst SS in baseball. Now maybe Galvis isn’t the answer, but, to not try to get better at the SS position of this team is ridiculous, imo.

It’s not just different. Just like it’s not just different to try to add a potential upgrade offensively at fourth outfielder.


At least I can understand wanting to upgrade from Arcia. His offense has been better than last year, but it still isn't good. And they aren't even playing him, so something is obviously up there. It sucks, because he's an uber-talented, home-grown 24-year-old kid who has shown elite defensive abilities and solid offensive potential. He's the type of athlete you build around, not jettison. I do understand if their patience with him is wearing thin, though. If they are going to upgrade from Arcia (who still has considerable upside), I sure as heck hope that they target someone better than Galvis, who as Brew4u said, is basically an older, less talented version of Arcia.

Your insistence on upgrading from Gamel continues to be much more in the ridiculous category, though, IMO.


Nailed it. Brew Crew 92, you found a player that isn’t an upgrade. Yes he’s having a nice year (finally) but you’re giving up on a player that is cheap, controlled, and has tons of talent for a player that isn’t.

There’s also this:
sveumrules said:
On the flipside Segura posted a 78 wRC+ in 1,927 PAs with the Brewers & has gone on to post a 113 wRC+ in 2,278 PAs since, so there is still a tiny sliver of a glimmer of hope (howsoever dim it may be).


Sometimes it takes longer. The Brewers offense is good enough that just tossing away Arcia is a really bad idea. They are not desperate.


Galvis is also cheap for this year and next, 5.5 mil. And has almost as much war this year as Arcia has his entire career. Not sure if I nailed it or not though, I’m open to other possibilities for an upgrade. And when Stearns sells High on Yelich and Hader and others after next year, maybe we have a ML ready stud we can plug in for 2021.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 8:12 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:

Galvis is also cheap for this year and next, 5.5 mil. And has almost as much war this year as Arcia has his entire career. Not sure if I nailed it or not though, I’m open to other possibilities for an upgrade. And when Stearns sells High on Yelich and Hader and others after next year, maybe we have a ML ready stud we can plug in for 2021.


You should check out how much WAR Galvis had through his age 24 season (-.2) compared to Arcia at 2.5.

And $5.5M is not cheap for the type of player Galvis is. Nor should Stearns ever make moves on the assumption of what he may or may not be able to get in a trade for Yelich and/or Hader. Again, not how things work.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 8:31 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:

Galvis is also cheap for this year and next, 5.5 mil. And has almost as much war this year as Arcia has his entire career. Not sure if I nailed it or not though, I’m open to other possibilities for an upgrade. And when Stearns sells High on Yelich and Hader and others after next year, maybe we have a ML ready stud we can plug in for 2021.


You should check out how much WAR Galvis had through his age 24 season (-.2) compared to Arcia at 2.5.

And $5.5M is not cheap for the type of player Galvis is. Nor should Stearns ever make moves on the assumption of what he may or may not be able to get in a trade for Yelich and/or Hader. Again, not how things work.


Imo, it’s cheap for a potential 3 war SS. But AGAIN, I’m open to other possibilities other than Galvis, although he most certainly would be an upgrade over Arcia, at least to me, the next 2 years.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 8:45 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:

Galvis is also cheap for this year and next, 5.5 mil. And has almost as much war this year as Arcia has his entire career. Not sure if I nailed it or not though, I’m open to other possibilities for an upgrade. And when Stearns sells High on Yelich and Hader and others after next year, maybe we have a ML ready stud we can plug in for 2021.


You should check out how much WAR Galvis had through his age 24 season (-.2) compared to Arcia at 2.5.

And $5.5M is not cheap for the type of player Galvis is. Nor should Stearns ever make moves on the assumption of what he may or may not be able to get in a trade for Yelich and/or Hader. Again, not how things work.


Imo, it’s cheap for a potential 3 war SS. But AGAIN, I’m open to other possibilities other than Galvis, although he most certainly would be an upgrade over Arcia, at least to me, the next 2 years.


If they are seriously looking to replace Arcia, I think I'd rather just roll with Dubon's potential than trade anything of value for someone like Galvis.


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