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Who would you trade Keston Hiura for??

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Posted: July 26, 2019, 10:42 AM Post
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I thought this might be an interesting discussion for all of us. Here's the "rules" however...You can't say "I'm not trading him for anyone"...EVERYONE is tradeable. And, let's try to avoid "obvious" choice (like Mike Trout etc). 3rd let's TRY to ignore how much control he or the player(s) coming back has. I know most would say that's a factor in every trade for them, but I'm trying to gauge more of what you think he's worth(to each individual), purely from a talent perspective. Please note, let's assume these to be "straight up" deals, as it's too difficult to try to put packages together.

Of course I will start..

I'm trading him for...

Jacob DeGrom
Walker Buehler
Hyun Jin Ryu
Luis Castillo

Carlos Correa
George Springer
Cody Bellinger


I'm sure there's more, but those are the one's off the top of my head.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 11:02 AM Post
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I can't figure out what you are asking. Like, who would I trade him for THIS year ignoring all future years (contracts, age, etc.)? I think that's what you want.

Trout, Lindor, Bellinger, Betts, Baez, Arenado, Devers, F Freeman, Rendon, Springer, Ketel Marte, Rizzo, Bryant, Blackmon, DJ LeMahieu,

Most aces. Heck I don't know a lot of guys, just cuz Hiura is still young and unproven and not great on D.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 11:14 AM Post
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Control is a big part of value though. It'd be almost like saying "Exclude strikeouts and home run totals". I mean yeah I'd trade him for pretty much all the guys listed in a vacuum if I knew baseball as a sport was going to cease to exist in October of this year.

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Posted: July 26, 2019, 11:15 AM Post
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Based on contract and control - Walker Buehler is the only one i would trade him for.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 11:27 AM Post
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homer said:
Control is a big part of value though. It'd be almost like saying "Exclude strikeout totals". I mean yeah I'd trade him for pretty much all the guys listed in a vacuum if I knew baseball as a sport was going to cease to exist in October of this year.


Yeah, there just isn't any way to exclude control from trade value, apart from in the strictly hypothetical situation you mention. Then it simply becomes a matter of "Which players are better than Hiura right now?" with a dash of taking the immediate positional needs into account. Which is a very different type of question to a trade value question.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 11:39 AM Post
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Short answer? No one.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 1:28 PM Post
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Yahnkees: Clint Frazier, Deivi Garcia, Nestor Cortez and a few flyers.


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Posted: July 26, 2019, 1:47 PM Post
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Truism: Starting Pitching > Hitting.

Therefore, I'd trade Hiura in a moment for a young major league ready starting pitcher with front of the rotation ability.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 12:50 AM Post
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I think 2nd basemen have less wear and tear than starters do...I think starting pitching is move valuable than 2Bs but only if you can guarantee no TJs or shoulder fatigue. To a large extent, our starters over the past few years have come and gone like most relievers. If you can guarantee a healthy TOR then yes...otherwise...no thanks.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 5:50 AM Post
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I'm looking forward to watching Hiura for the next 6 years. Guys like him don't come along very often, and he's worth paying money to see. I certainly wouldn't trade him for an arm who pitches every 5th day.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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Posted: July 27, 2019, 11:49 AM Post
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Oxy said:
I can't figure out what you are asking. Like, who would I trade him for THIS year ignoring all future years (contracts, age, etc.)? I think that's what you want.

Trout, Lindor, Bellinger, Betts, Baez, Arenado, Devers, F Freeman, Rendon, Springer, Ketel Marte, Rizzo, Bryant, Blackmon, DJ LeMahieu,

Most aces. Heck I don't know a lot of guys, just cuz Hiura is still young and unproven and not great on D.



Yeah, I wouldn't even know where to begin to start on something like this. It's not how the real world works. But there might be 75+ players in baseball I'd trade for him.

For instance, I'd trade Tatis for Hiura straight up...and that's factoring IN control. But I know the OP is wildy against a Tatis, Gore, Paddack+ for Hader trade. So I think this is just a "what video game trade can wen make for right now and only right now," type idea.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 4:43 PM Post
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Hiura for Ryu straight up?

Ummmm, no thank you. Dude is like glass, constantly hurt. Healthy this year, and probably reaching his potential finally, but I wouldn't count on it lasting with his injury history.


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 8:47 PM Post
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Umm yeah, he isn't going anywhere!


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 8:53 PM Post
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Nope, he will be a Brewer for a long damn time...

Stop the trade Hiura nonsense now. Lock this thread down...


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Posted: July 27, 2019, 8:55 PM Post
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Eh, I don’t know. We probably could nab Thor!

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Posted: July 28, 2019, 2:19 AM Post
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I think 2nd basemen have less wear and tear than starters do...I think starting pitching is move valuable than 2Bs but only if you can guarantee no TJs or shoulder fatigue. To a large extent, our starters over the past few years have come and gone like most relievers. If you can guarantee a healthy TOR then yes...otherwise...no thanks.



You can't guarantee that Hiura won't need Tommy John over the next 5 years. You don't trade for pitchers with a guarantee attached.

That said, those who we'd consider trading him for(Walker Buehler types...though I'd be hard pressed to find another young arm like his)...their teams wouldn't trade him for Hiura.


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Posted: July 28, 2019, 2:23 AM Post
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Nope, he will be a Brewer for a long damn time...

Stop the trade Hiura nonsense now. Lock this thread down...



Just keep it open or it'll be another thread with the same theme. Though this one is particularly confusing. You can't say Trout, but you're supposed to list any player you'd trade him for and you're not supposed to consider salary or team control(you know, two of the three factors teams use...and of particular import for teams with less revenue).


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Posted: July 28, 2019, 6:52 AM Post
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No one,lock this thread, Keston forever

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Posted: July 28, 2019, 7:48 AM Post
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Trade? No way, let's sign him to a long term deal that blows Mike Trout's contract out of the water. I think 15 years and around $600 million should get it done.

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