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Posted: August 27, 2019, 9:31 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
8 year extension is in order, build a title winner around him, Grisham and Woodruff.

He hasn’t played much in the field ever. Needs reps, should be competent sooner rather than later if he works at it.


Interesting to lump Grisham into that group. Let's see him perform for more than spot starts over 2 weeks before we do that.


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Posted: August 27, 2019, 9:49 PM Post
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DHonks said:
Brew crew 92 said:
8 year extension is in order, build a title winner around him, Grisham and Woodruff.

He hasn’t played much in the field ever. Needs reps, should be competent sooner rather than later if he works at it.


Interesting to lump Grisham into that group. Let's see him perform for more than spot starts over 2 weeks before we do that.


He’s a 1st round pick with a superior eye, with a great plate approach that can barrel a baseball. Big discount if we can get him to extend now. No brainer.


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Posted: August 27, 2019, 10:01 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
DHonks said:
Brew crew 92 said:
8 year extension is in order, build a title winner around him, Grisham and Woodruff.

He hasn’t played much in the field ever. Needs reps, should be competent sooner rather than later if he works at it.


Interesting to lump Grisham into that group. Let's see him perform for more than spot starts over 2 weeks before we do that.


He’s a 1st round pick with a superior eye, with a great plate approach that can barrel a baseball. Big discount if we can get him to extend now. No brainer.


No brainer? He has had like two good months in his whole career. No one is signing him to a big extension


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 12:33 AM Post
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He doesn't have a superior eye or great approach either.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 12:38 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
xisxisxis said:
Maybe the Brewers can just put "Braun" on Hiura's jersey then Brew4U would ignore his awful defense...


The difference being, Braun is 35 and a year from being done as a Brewer with no where to go. Hiura either this offseason or next could fetch a ton to help us. But carry on with you condescending remarks.



That's one thing you can absolutely count on.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 12:48 AM Post
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Boomer5 said:
No brainer? He has had like two good months in his whole career. No one is signing him to a big extension



I thought this was about Hiura. No, there's absolutely no reason to sign Grisham right now unless you give him a Kingery type deal.

You'll be able to sign him in a year from now cheap if he hits well.

He doesn't have a superior eye or great approach either.


"Great approach," is a rather vague sentiment to me, but a great eye? I think that's about the only thing he's proven in the minor leagues.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 2:43 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
DHonks said:
Brew crew 92 said:
8 year extension is in order, build a title winner around him, Grisham and Woodruff.

He hasn’t played much in the field ever. Needs reps, should be competent sooner rather than later if he works at it.


Interesting to lump Grisham into that group. Let's see him perform for more than spot starts over 2 weeks before we do that.


He’s a 1st round pick with a superior eye, with a great plate approach that can barrel a baseball. Big discount if we can get him to extend now. No brainer.


Before giving Grisham any kind of extension, see if he can hit major lg. pitching. Right now he is overmatched. OBP.295 and a .221 BA... Small sample yes, but he has shown nothing to indicate he will be able to hit in the majors.. He'll get time next year to see if he can hit and IF he proves he can, then offer the extension.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 5:25 AM Post
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Grisham is not overmatched, he’s just slumping. We know this happens to all hitters. It was bound to happen to Grisham, since he’s been consistently barreling the baseball for months now. Doesn’t change who he is one bit as a hitter, in fact, one could argue, an extremely forward thinking GM, might just offer him an extension now to save some millions, instead of having him “prove”it next year, you know, to save like 10 million. Either we believe in him or not. I believe.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 5:27 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
He doesn't have a superior eye or great approach either.


Surprised you think that actually.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 6:29 AM Post
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Thought you were talking about Hiura and I could've sworn it said Hiura because it was 1:30 and nobody ever reads anything wrong at 1:30 in the morning. I'm as sharp as a feather pillow at that time, like I'm sure everyone else is.

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Posted: August 28, 2019, 6:39 AM Post
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OnTheBlack said:
Boomer5 said:
No brainer? He has had like two good months in his whole career. No one is signing him to a big extension



I thought this was about Hiura. No, there's absolutely no reason to sign Grisham right now unless you give him a Kingery type deal.

You'll be able to sign him in a year from now cheap if he hits well.

He doesn't have a superior eye or great approach either.


"Great approach," is a rather vague sentiment to me, but a great eye? I think that's about the only thing he's proven in the minor leagues.


Great approach to me means consistently swinging at balls in the zone, and not swinging at pitches out of the zone. Simple. And I would argue Grisham is elite in this regard. And as far as the minor leagues are concerned, what else could he have done there, really?


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 7:12 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
OnTheBlack said:
Boomer5 said:
No brainer? He has had like two good months in his whole career. No one is signing him to a big extension



I thought this was about Hiura. No, there's absolutely no reason to sign Grisham right now unless you give him a Kingery type deal.

You'll be able to sign him in a year from now cheap if he hits well.

He doesn't have a superior eye or great approach either.


"Great approach," is a rather vague sentiment to me, but a great eye? I think that's about the only thing he's proven in the minor leagues.


Great approach to me means consistently swinging at balls in the zone, and not swinging at pitches out of the zone. Simple. And I would argue Grisham is elite in this regard. And as far as the minor leagues are concerned, what else could he have done there, really?


IDK, not sucked for 3 years? As much as you can say he's just in a slump so no biggie one could easily say all the AAA run was a hot streak. Truth is somewhere in between. You already control him for 6-7 years, no need to overdo anything one way or the other. Just relax and see what happens, not everything has to be a big indictment on anyone. It's funny how biases show to preconceived opinions, he's just a slump and is awesome. Another guy has a bad stretch and he needs to be benched, demoted to bottom of lineup, traded immediately, for sure not resigned, etc.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 9:06 AM Post
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If brew crew 92. (Or anyone) wants to start a thread discussing the merits of extending Hiura and Grisham, that's fine. Let's keep this thread discussing the topic of a Hiura trade.


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Posted: August 28, 2019, 8:48 PM Post
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Hiura and Yelich are two players who, to me, are must see players. I look forward to their at bats because they have elite skills. They also never (or I’ve yet to see them) take practice swings during at bats. Random for sure. I sure hope we don’t trade him.


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Posted: August 29, 2019, 4:48 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:

Great approach to me means consistently swinging at balls in the zone, and not swinging at pitches out of the zone. Simple. And I would argue Grisham is elite in this regard. And as far as the minor leagues are concerned, what else could he have done there, really?



Well to some it means attacking early in the count. Remember how much Yelich's "approach" changed?

Approach really just means whatever works for a hitter.


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Posted: August 29, 2019, 5:09 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
Thought you were talking about Hiura and I could've sworn it said Hiura because it was 1:30 and nobody ever reads anything wrong at 1:30 in the morning. I'm as sharp as a feather pillow at that time, like I'm sure everyone else is.



A bit defensive, no? Nobody called you out on it. It was pretty easy to assume it was still about Hiura as the conversation only flipped when one person said they were in favor of signing Grisham to a big extension...and of it went.

I would argue that it's tough to be as consistently as good as Hiura and not have a good approach at the plate. Or for that matter a good eye. He seems to have pretty good pitch recognition. He still is swinging through too many pitches, but I think it's reasonable to expect that K rate to drop down closer to 25 pct in the future.

Reasonably, I wouldn't trade him. You're unlikely to get equal value and he should be a quality top of the order hitter for the next several years. He doesn't have a great arm, but I think he'll get better. Wasn't Utley awful defensively before becoming solid? He's athletic...he seldom really needs real arm strength to get it over to 1st.

If you throw out hypotheticals, there are some I'd go for obviously...just like I'd have done that Hader or Yelich to SD trade from about a month ago, but who's going to trade someone equal to Hiura to us? I guess if Altuve had a career-ending injury and the Astros were willing to overpay, fine, but that's pretty far fetched. I'd be shocked if he didn't' spend at least 4 full years in Milwaukee.


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Posted: September 08, 2019, 8:21 PM Post
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Worst case move him to left and let him rake.


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Posted: September 08, 2019, 8:28 PM Post
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The only way I consider trading Hirua is for Bellinger or a similar talent.

Or for an ace starting pitcher with plenty of control on an Acuna-type deal.


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Posted: September 09, 2019, 7:30 AM Post
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Bulldogboy said:
Worst case move him to left and let him rake.


His arm is at least as bad as Khris Davis'....I would guess worse, but it isn't like he makes OF type throws to really compare. Davis wasn't terrible in other aspects of defense so I would project Hiura to be even worse than Davis. If he looks like a Thames/Weeks out there he maybe be way worse. Davis was about -2.0 WAR in the OF for a full season...so Hiura may be around 2.5-3.0 in the red. But again, hard to know what he would do outside of his arm.

Keston Hiura in all reality is a borderline DH playing the field...at least that is what he has shown ever since he started his pro career. He is not going to be any prettier in the OF so might as well stick him at the more premium position. He sucks defensively...but I think with his bat you can live with it. Hopefully he improves the glove more. I don't think he is the kind of guy you will hide in the OF. He isn't super athletic in the field, isn't all that fast, and as already mentioned his arm is pretty bad. Ryan Braun had some speed and a strong enough arm where he was going to be decent in the field. Braun types can be hidden...Hiura types not as much.


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Posted: September 09, 2019, 8:42 AM Post
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Agreed that Hiura needs to stick at 2B longterm...his arm isn't good enough to "hide" him in the OF - but his bat is plenty good enough as a 2B to keep putting him there and hope his defense marginally improves. Regular time out there should help, and even if it doesn't I think they need to keep him there for a couple more seasons to exhaust the option of him as a 2B before exploring potential DH/1B roles.

If the NL moves to incorporating the DH, hopefully it's within the window where Hiura could simply settle into that role as a Brewer. Until then, you shore up other IF positions defensively to try and offset any downside to having a 0.900+ OPS bat butchering things on occasion at 2B. To me it's obvious that 2B isn't a high value defensive position to Brewers' brass, since they've had 3B playing there more often than not since late July 2018 before Hiura got called up.


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