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Posted: October 02, 2019, 6:59 AM Post
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We have a thread dedicated to Gerrit Cole who is obviously an unlikely option for the Brewers. Below are some other starting pitchers that are likely free agents (a couple have team or player options):

Hyun-Jin Ryu

Zack Wheeler

Jake Odorizzi

Madison Bumgarner

Michael Pineda

Kyle Gibson

Adam Wainwright

Cole Hamels

Martín Pérez

Tanner Roark

Iván Nova

Wade Miley

Brett Anderson

Jordan Lyles

Dallas Keuchel

Alex Wood


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 7:32 AM Post
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From that list I really like Wheeler and wouldn't mind a return from either Lyles, Miley, or Fiers. Add Gio to the list too.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 8:05 AM Post
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I've always liked Gibson. I think it would be in their best interest to stay in on Ryu too. He seems like the type that might fly under the radar and end of signing a below market deal, despite being really, really good.

Otherwise I'm all in on Lyles, or perhaps Nova on a cheap deal.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 9:51 AM Post
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Collin McHugh from the Astros is an interesting name to keep an eye on. He had elbow issues down the stretch this year, but if he's healthy he sorta fits the Brewers mold. More of a swing man type. Experience in the pen and rotation. Been overall good for a few years now.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=P


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 10:35 AM Post
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long ball said:
Collin McHugh from the Astros is an interesting name to keep an eye on. He had elbow issues down the stretch this year, but if he's healthy he sorta fits the Brewers mold. More of a swing man type. Experience in the pen and rotation. Been overall good for a few years now.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=P


I understand the interest (assuming he is healthy).
That said, considering the Astros are likely losing GCole via free agency, why would they let a healthy McHugh get away when they need starting pitching?
Are you suggesting the Brewers should outbid the Astros to draw him away??


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Cleveland is exercising its 2020 option on Corey Kluber.
Announced via MLBTR today.


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Isn't Fiers signed through 2020 with the A's? Unless if I'm missing something, I don't think he's a free agent this winter.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:12 AM Post
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Isn't Fiers signed through 2020 with the A's? Unless if I'm missing something, I don't think he's a free agent this winter.

Looks like you are correct. That's strange, the site I was using as a reference had him as a FA. I have removed him from the list.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:13 AM Post
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long ball said:
Collin McHugh from the Astros is an interesting name to keep an eye on. He had elbow issues down the stretch this year, but if he's healthy he sorta fits the Brewers mold. More of a swing man type. Experience in the pen and rotation. Been overall good for a few years now.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=P


I understand the interest (assuming he is healthy).
That said, considering the Astros are likely losing GCole via free agency, why would they let a healthy McHugh get away when they need starting pitching?
Are you suggesting the Brewers should outbid the Astros to draw him away??


He's just a name I'd be interested in. I think the Astros have 3 pretty sure bets in their rotation for 2020: JV, Greinke, and McCullers. Then they also have a ton of guys who could end up getting starts for them like Josh James, Forrest Whitley, Cionel Perez, Corbin Martin, etc. They probably want one more veteran type arm to complement the young guys and the studs though.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:19 AM Post
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Here is the more complete starting pitching list from MLB.com including which players carry team or player options.

I forgot that Stephen Strasburg can opt out of the remaining 4 years (and $100 million) on his contract.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 10:34 AM Post
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Hmmm... Bumgarner or Keuchel on a one-year "prove it" deal could be interesting.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 2:08 PM Post
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Stearns has obviously shown interest in Wheeler in the past so will be interesting to see if the Brewers make an offer.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 3:47 PM Post
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I've always liked Gibson. I think it would be in their best interest to stay in on Ryu too. He seems like the type that might fly under the radar and end of signing a below market deal, despite being really, really good.

Otherwise I'm all in on Lyles, or perhaps Nova on a cheap deal.


I'd love to get Lyles back on a decent contract. I don't know if Ryu is going to be too expensive. Nova, even on a cheap deal, is a big no. 4.98 FIP, gave up 225 hits to 187 IPs, 1.455 WHIP. The White Sox kept him because they had nobody else and they knew they were going nowhere anyways.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 3:54 PM Post
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What about looking for pitchers from NPB or KBO? Might there be some nuggets who could be "bargains" along the lines of Eric Thames?


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 5:51 PM Post
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Here is the more complete starting pitching list from MLB.com including which players carry team or player options.

I forgot that Stephen Strasburg can opt out of the remaining 4 years (and $100 million) on his contract.



I'd like to see them at least make an offer on Cole. I would love Strasburg, but I just don't trust him. I'd guess he'd opt out...but I'd also guess the Nats just work something out with him where they just add another year at 25 million and bring him right back.


The fact that he does have 3 pitches that can be dominant in addition to his fastball would be reason to hope that he'd age well, ala Greinke, but I want to see the Brewers either try to go and try to get the best pitcher, the workhorse ace or I'd like to see them make some low risk signings.

Maybe Odorrizi if he could be had for 4/50 or Hamels if you can get him for 2 years at 28 million or so. I don't know what the pitching market is going to look like though. It seems like teams have pulled way back since the Price/Greinke/Scherzer deals.


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Posted: October 05, 2019, 5:56 PM Post
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What about looking for pitchers from NPB or KBO? Might there be some nuggets who could be "bargains" along the lines of Eric Thames?



There might. But at this point every other team in baseball is following those leagues...so anyone you'd be bringing over would likely be a real under the radar type guy who you probably wouldn't feel comfortable counting on.

Funny how a year chances. Last year we were looking at having 3 young fireballers in the rotation. Now most people believe Perlata is a long reliever(who can handle higher leverage outings) and have no feel for what Burnes could provide.

This is why I'm trying to get one somewhat reliable starter and then one or two bounce back type candidates(who've actually produced at the big league level).


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Posted: October 06, 2019, 12:36 PM Post
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I think Lyles will be coming back and could definitely see a Ryu, Wheeler, Ordorizzi, Miley type of move. At some point you have to pair some one with Woodruff to cover six innings once and awhile. I would prefer to not have 85% of the season covered by average starters AND average/ below average relievers. I think Stearns might be on the same page with that desire.

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Posted: October 08, 2019, 6:26 AM Post
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Last week MLB Trade Rumors published an article predicting the potential Qualifying Offers for pitchers, Forecasting The Qualifying Offer Market: Pitchers.

Here is what they concluded among the starting pitchers likeliness to receive a Qualifying Offer...

Easy Calls:

Gerrit Cole, RHP, Astros

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, Giants

Zack Wheeler, RHP, Mets


Borderline:

Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Twins

Cole Hamels, LHP, Cubs


Opt-Out Possibilities:

Stephen Strasburg, RHP, Nationals

Yu Darvish, RHP, Cubs


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Posted: October 08, 2019, 11:01 AM Post
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Cole Hamels is supposedly interested in staying in the NL Central even if the Cubs don't re-sign him. He's got very good career numbers vs. St. Louis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. He was arguably the Cubs best starter in the first half prior to his missing time with an oblique.


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Posted: October 08, 2019, 11:22 AM Post
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I wouldn't mind a Hamels signing. Not the best option but far from the worst. If it is only a one or two year deal it would be perfect.

If we can sign Hamels and Wheeler/Odorizzi along with Lyles that gives the Brewers a starting rotation of Woodruff, Davies, Wheeler, Hamels and Lyles. That is a good starting rotation with some depth in Burnes and Hauser as your 6th and 7th options.

You could even trade Davies to the Twins for Nick Gordon to help at SS.


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