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Posted: December 15, 2019, 1:17 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

Position Players

Braun $17 million
Cain $16 million
Yelich $12.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

Total $54.8

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $4.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K

Total $14.5 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
D. Williams $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll


And people laughed at the notion, and blasted me for saying it was obvious they were cutting payroll, and then linking things that said the same. This pretty much says they are 100%. Sure, it's early yet, but again, who is left out there that you are going to hand $46 million worth of contracts to?? They haven't been linked to Donaldson or Castellanos(arguable the two highest priced FA's left), so outside of those two, if you do give out 46 million to match last year's payroll, you severely over paid most likely which everyone here completely hates.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 12:34 AM Post
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There are a lot of good baseball players still out there. I could easily find a use for 32 million without overpaying for crap or paying anyone over 6mil AAV. (I was at 44 mil roughly with my wish list and Anderson takes the spot of Hill or Gio). Granted it would force a lot of "guys" off the 40 man.

The question is will they spend on the pen and depth. If we go ahead with Faria Black Wahl and a no name utility IF as locked in 26 man pieces, they'll certainly cut a good chunk of payroll.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 4:44 AM Post
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RollieTime said:
Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

Position Players

Braun $17 million
Cain $16 million
Yelich $12.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

Total $54.8

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $4.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K

Total $14.5 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
D. Williams $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll


The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 6:48 AM Post
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tigerbrew said:
RollieTime said:
Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

Position Players

Braun $17 million
Cain $16 million
Yelich $12.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

Total $54.8

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $4.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K

Total $14.5 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
D. Williams $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll


The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.


The financial dynamics of the NBA are completely different than MLB. You can't compare apples to autos like you are trying to do. According to every known source the Brewers LOST money last year. To call ownership cheapskates is absolutely ridiculous. Of course you would have a totally different view if it was YOUR money you were losing.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 7:30 AM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
tigerbrew said:
RollieTime said:
Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

Position Players

Braun $17 million
Cain $16 million
Yelich $12.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

Total $54.8

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $4.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K

Total $14.5 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
D. Williams $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll


The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.


The financial dynamics of the NBA are completely different than MLB. You can't compare apples to autos like you are trying to do. According to every known source the Brewers LOST money last year. To call ownership cheapskates is absolutely ridiculous. Of course you would have a totally different view if it was YOUR money you were losing.


http://www.wtmj.com/sports/baseball/mil ... 1067753279

The Brewers made a $66 million profit last year, they didn't lost money. The owner has been making profits.

Not only that Mark A bought the Brewers for $223M in 2005, the team is now worth about $1.2 billion in 2019. The owner will also make a ton of money if he decides to sell the team.

You don't have to worry for the owner, the Brewers have been a great investment for him.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 7:44 AM Post
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The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 7:57 AM Post
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The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


Especially in the midst of a rebrand. I am under this same assumption. If they don't sign a expensive free agent, they'll trade for a high-priced guy to be a major bat in the lineup. I'm a 100% admitted David Stearns apologist, and even I can admit that rolling out a huge rebrand and then pinching every penny is a horrible look.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:02 AM Post
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MrTPlush said:
The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


He just makes so much sense in my mind. They could use a 3B, a righty bat behind Yelich, and his contract will fit the competitive window well


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:11 AM Post
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Well Josh Donaldson did ask Yelich for hitting advice this off-season.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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MrTPlush said:
The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.

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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:30 AM Post
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MrTPlush said:
The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.


I feel like this would be a much safer statement to make in March.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:40 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
MrTPlush said:
The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.


Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.


Ooh breaking news! Source?


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:41 AM Post
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Would something like 3/84 with a 20M team option for a 4th year with a 6M buyout get it done for Donaldson? That's effectively 3/90, up to 4/104, but let's us pay him 27M a year for 3 years and then defer 6M to the 4th year.

Does that have a chance or is it going to take a 9 figure guarantee and a 4th guaranteed season?


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:45 AM Post
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Would something like 3/84 with a 20M team option for a 4th year with a 6M buyout get it done for Donaldson? That's effectively 3/90, up to 4/104, but let's us pay him 27M a year for 3 years and then defer 6M to the 4th year.

Does that have a chance or is it going to take a 9 figure guarantee and a 4th guaranteed season?


Since we have the money, and Braun coming off the books next season, we could do that deal if we wanted. Question is, would Josh be willing to do that, and join a small market club as opposed to joining a big name team?

My guess is that if a larger market team comes close to that offer, he goes with that team over us. I'd love to see the offers he has gotten to this point.

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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:53 AM Post
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I think number of years is more of a problem than actual yearly salary. It isn’t hard to get creative and make a 3-4 year deal work. They may not sign a Ryu/Donaldson, but contract wise that is a lot different than trying to fit a Rendon into the payroll.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 8:54 AM Post
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Which "major" Free Agent is left for the Brewers to sign exactly?

I'd say Josh Donaldson is the only one left. Catellanos is an entire tier below him. We won't be signing either.

Ryu and Keuchel are still out there but we won't be signing either of them as well.

Who is left at the Brewers positions of need?

1B
Eric Thames (33)
Mitch Moreland (34)
Neil Walker (34)
C.J. Cron (30)
Justin Smoak (33)
Logan Forsythe (33)
Ryan Zimmerman (35)
Matt Adams (31)
Greg Bird (27)
Logan Morrison (32)
Ryon Healy (28)
Justin Bour (32)
Cheslor Cuthbert (27)
Mark Reynolds (36)
Steve Pearce (37)
Lucas Duda (34)
Yonder Alonso (33)

3B
Josh Donaldson (34)
Asdrúbal Cabrera (34)
Todd Frazier (34)
Pablo Sandoval (33)
Sean Rodríguez (35)
Ryan Goins (32)
Kaleb Cowart (28)
Ryan Flaherty (33)
Matt Duffy (29)
Maikel Franco (27)
Jedd Gyorko (31)
Travis Shaw (30
Jung Ho Kang (33)
Martín Prado (36)

LF
Alex Gordon (36)
Corey Dickerson (31)
Charlie Culberson (31)
Rajai Davis (39)
Domingo Santana (27)
Rafael Ortega (29)
Joey Rickard (29)
Peter Bourjos (33)
Carlos González (34)
Matt Kemp (35)
Curtis Granderson (39)

RF
Nicholas Castellanos (28)
Kole Calhoun (32)
Avisaíl García (29)
Cameron Maybin (33)
Yasiel Puig (29)
Matt Joyce (35)
Jorge Bonifacio (27)
Adam Jones (34)
Melky Cabrera (35)
Jon Jay (35)
Lonnie Chisenhall (31)
Steven Souza Jr. (31)

SP
Hyun-Jin Ryu (33)
Dallas Keuchel (32)
Homer Bailey (34)
Wade Miley (33)
Iván Nova (33)
Andrew Cashner (33)
Jason Vargas (37)
Julio Teheran (29)
Gio Gonzalez (34)
Rich Hill (40)
Aaron Sanchez (27)
Matt Moore (31)
Pedro Avila (23)
Clay Buchholz (35)
Tyson Ross (33)
Félix Hernández (34)
Jhoulys Chacín (32)
Jeremy Hellickson (33)
Alex Wood (29)
Edinson Vólquez (36)
Marco Estrada (36)
Shelby Miller (29)
Clayton Richard (36)
Drew Smyly (29)
Wade LeBlanc (35)
Matt Harvey (31)
Héctor Noesi (33)
Ervin Santana (37)
Ross Detwiler (34)
Trevor Cahill (32)
Edwin Jackson (36)

Stearns can pick any uninspiring player off this list and we will explain to ourselves how it was a master stroke of genius.

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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:20 AM Post
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Which "major" Free Agent is left for the Brewers to sign exactly?

I'd say Josh Donaldson is the only one left. Catellanos is an entire tier below him. We won't be signing either.

Ryu and Keuchel are still out there but we won't be signing either of them as well.

Who is left at the Brewers positions of need?

1B
Eric Thames (33)
Mitch Moreland (34)
Neil Walker (34)
C.J. Cron (30)
Justin Smoak (33)
Logan Forsythe (33)
Ryan Zimmerman (35)
Matt Adams (31)
Greg Bird (27)
Logan Morrison (32)
Ryon Healy (28)
Justin Bour (32)
Cheslor Cuthbert (27)
Mark Reynolds (36)
Steve Pearce (37)
Lucas Duda (34)
Yonder Alonso (33)

3B
Josh Donaldson (34)
Asdrúbal Cabrera (34)
Todd Frazier (34)
Pablo Sandoval (33)
Sean Rodríguez (35)
Ryan Goins (32)
Kaleb Cowart (28)
Ryan Flaherty (33)
Matt Duffy (29)
Maikel Franco (27)
Jedd Gyorko (31)
Travis Shaw (30
Jung Ho Kang (33)
Martín Prado (36)

LF
Alex Gordon (36)
Corey Dickerson (31)
Charlie Culberson (31)
Rajai Davis (39)
Domingo Santana (27)
Rafael Ortega (29)
Joey Rickard (29)
Peter Bourjos (33)
Carlos González (34)
Matt Kemp (35)
Curtis Granderson (39)

RF
Nicholas Castellanos (28)
Kole Calhoun (32)
Avisaíl García (29)
Cameron Maybin (33)
Yasiel Puig (29)
Matt Joyce (35)
Jorge Bonifacio (27)
Adam Jones (34)
Melky Cabrera (35)
Jon Jay (35)
Lonnie Chisenhall (31)
Steven Souza Jr. (31)

SP
Hyun-Jin Ryu (33)
Dallas Keuchel (32)
Homer Bailey (34)
Wade Miley (33)
Iván Nova (33)
Andrew Cashner (33)
Jason Vargas (37)
Julio Teheran (29)
Gio Gonzalez (34)
Rich Hill (40)
Aaron Sanchez (27)
Matt Moore (31)
Pedro Avila (23)
Clay Buchholz (35)
Tyson Ross (33)
Félix Hernández (34)
Jhoulys Chacín (32)
Jeremy Hellickson (33)
Alex Wood (29)
Edinson Vólquez (36)
Marco Estrada (36)
Shelby Miller (29)
Clayton Richard (36)
Drew Smyly (29)
Wade LeBlanc (35)
Matt Harvey (31)
Héctor Noesi (33)
Ervin Santana (37)
Ross Detwiler (34)
Trevor Cahill (32)
Edwin Jackson (36)

Stearns can pick any uninspiring player off this list and we will explain to ourselves how it was a master stroke of genius.


If every player on this list is uninspiring to you, you were going to be disappointed no matter what with offseason.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:33 AM Post
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I know the offseason is far from over, however, I firmly believe the Brewers will NOT be signing a top FA starting pitcher and don't have the goods to trade for the likes of Robbie Ray.

This disappoints me the most. And I'm not delusional enough to think we had a chance to land Strasberg or Cole. Would have thought we could be players on a SP from the Madison Bumgarner tier, however.

As a Brewers fan, if I would have told you at the beginning of this offseason that the only FA starters the Brewers would sign would be Josh Lindblom and Brett FREAKING Anderson, can you, with a straight face, tell me you would not have been disappointed too?

I think not.

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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:35 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
Stearns can pick any uninspiring player off this list and we will explain to ourselves how it was a master stroke of genius.


As opposed to what? Screaming about how this front office is terrible and how Mark Attanasio is a cheapskate?

Both pretty much accomplish the same thing.


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Posted: December 16, 2019, 9:41 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
I know the offseason is far from over, however, I firmly believe the Brewers will NOT be signing a top FA starting pitcher and don't have the goods to trade for the likes of Robbie Ray.

This disappoints me the most. And I'm not delusional enough to think we had a chance to land Strasberg or Cole. Would have thought we could be players on a SP from the Madison Bumgarner tier, however.

As a Brewers fan, if I would have told you at the beginning of this offseason that the only FA starters the Brewers would sign would be Josh Lindblom and Brett FREAKING Anderson, can you, with a straight face, tell me you would not have been disappointed too?

I think not.


You are acting like pitchers and catchers are reporting. It is December 16th. Which NL Central team has made any noteworthy head turning move so far?


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