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Posted: December 17, 2019, 4:24 PM Post
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The financials of non-tendering Thames cloud the potential salary that would go with signing him at a reasonable/realistic price -- and what would he actually sign for? -- but I sure do like him as a 1B for our present roster mix. Then we'd only have a 3B question in terms of position players, plus another pitcher or two.

Of course we could've just picked up Thames' option in the first place, but that's water over the dam long ago.

I'm curious what additional potential trades Stearns might have on his plate that he's considering.


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Posted: December 17, 2019, 4:27 PM Post
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Yes have to figure it fixing a hole at 3rd and maybe like most suggested a return of Thames.


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Posted: December 17, 2019, 6:13 PM Post
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Either I’m drinking the spiked Xmas eggnog or I may be onto something here.

To me, all of these moves so far are setting up for something big. It feels exactly like years past when the offseasons would start slow for us and everyone freaks out...only to have 1-2 major announcements come in January.

This offseason is gearing up for that as well.

I feel Corey Ray, Hader are as good as gone. We are just having to wait for the announcement.

I feel it. I feel it in every inch of my bones.


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Posted: December 17, 2019, 8:05 PM Post
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wallus said:
Attempt #2

Sign Ryu for 4 years/$84 million
Trade Corey Ray to the Mets for Smith and Lowrie (Mets pick up 2 million)
Sign Mchugh 2 years/$8 million
Sign Cron 1 year/$5 million

Lineup:
Cain-CF
Yelich-RF
Hiura-2B
Narvez-C
Garcia-LF
Smith-1B
Lowrie-3B
Urias-SS
P

Bench:
Pina
Braun
Arcia
Cron
Gamel

Rotation:
Ryu
Woodruff
Anderson
Lindblom
Lauer

Pen:
Knebel
Hader
Mchugh
Suter
Claudio
Black
Peralta
Wahl


I like your sign Ryu idea.

For the trade with Mets, I much prefer to try and get JD Davis than Smith. Davis can play 3B and is a better hitter than Smith. With JD Davis and Lowrie, our 3B is set for 2020.

I like your sign McHugh idea.

I much prefer to get Thames than Cron, I like the sign Thames for 2 years $9M idea by the previous poster. With Braun, Thames, Davis, our 1B is set for 2020.

Houser should definitely start the season in the major league team as a starter or reliever.

Edit: apologies I meant JD Davis.


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Posted: December 18, 2019, 11:21 PM Post
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It really would just be perfect if we could sign Donaldson and then bring back Thames. I would also try to trade Arcia for some relief pitching now that we have Sogard to split time with Urias.

An extremely deep and balanced roster.

2017-2019 vs RHP

2B Hiura - .418 wOBA
LF Yelich - .413 wOBA
3B Donaldson - .376 wOBA
1B Thames - .367 wOBA
C Narvaez - .347 wOBA
RF Garcia - .332 wOBA
CF Cain - .327 wOBA
SS Sogard - .319 wOBA

2017-2019 vs LHP

SS Urias - .404 wOBA
3B Donaldson - .388 wOBA
LF Yelich - .373 wOBA
1B Braun - .369 wOBA
RF Garcia - .368 wOBA
CF Cain - .362 wOBA
2B Sogard - .338 wOBA
C Pina - .320 wOBA


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Posted: December 19, 2019, 12:42 AM Post
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If Sogard takes the role I wanted Holt in that still leaves
Thames Flores
Hill Walker McHugh Cishek
to go.

Replace Thames with Smoak. Different path to the same results.


Last edited by TJseven7 on December 19, 2019, 6:05 PM, edited 1 time in total.

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Posted: December 19, 2019, 4:54 PM Post
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The longer this week has gone on....

- I'm amazed that Stearns keeps pulling off a move per day. That's an unheard of rate in Brewers land.
- The more I still wonder how all the pieces of this puzzle fit together, although my hunch is that Broxton, Healy, and Ronny Rodriguez may not see much if any MLB roster time barring injuries (and that's not a bad thing!).
- The more I wonder if whatever next moves -- big or small -- will be aimed at the pitching staff. The position-player roster had a ton of holes and now has enough bodies to sufficiently plug them (though certainty of quality's a viable concern in some cases, not to mention lacking a clear winner of the starting 3B position). However, beyond re-signing Claudio & inking B. Anderson & Lindblom, it still seems like there's more to be done w/ the pitching staff -- BP, rotation, whatever.

To the last point, as much as a Donaldson acquisition would be impressive, large questions about the pitching staff would remain with seemingly little payroll room to do so. I kind of hope that if they've got one bombshell FA move left that it's on Ryu -- over Keuchel & ignoring Donaldson. If healthy (the key, of course!), he's a pretty dominant force.

Without Donaldson we'd still have lots of strong bats. But we don't have any pitcher with the proven track record of Ryu.


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Posted: December 20, 2019, 3:47 PM Post
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Location: Washburn, WI
Updated Player List

Position Players

Braun $14 million ($3 million deferred)
Cain $15 million ($1 million deferred)
Yelich $12.5 million
Garcia $7.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)
Sogard $4.5 million
Smoak $4 million
Healy $250K+

Total $67.05 million

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
B. Anderson $5 million
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $9.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K
D. Williams $500K

Total $15 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$67.05 + $9.5 + $15 + $8.25 = $99.8 Million Current Payroll

About $28 million below last year’s payroll


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Posted: December 22, 2019, 8:41 AM Post
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/ml ... li=AAF3IbP

Will be interesting to see if/when this is implemented in the big leagues. Brewers did not commit to Grandal long-term because they believed it could be implemented as early as 2021.

Based on the article, it appears anywhere from 2-5 more years depending on how testing goes.

A risk the Brewers took, but could be a solid move if it happens. The second half of Grandals contract would be totally devalued.


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Posted: December 22, 2019, 9:49 AM Post
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RollieTime said:
Updated Player List

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$67.05 + $9.5 + $15 + $8.25 = $99.8 Million Current Payroll

About $28 million below last year’s payroll

So we're basically right where we were at this time last year... and then BAM:

January 14, 2019: Yasmani Grandal signed as a Free Agent with the Milwaukee Brewers for $16M (+$2.25M buyout).
February 19, 2019: Mike Moustakas signed as a Free Agent with the Milwaukee Brewers for $7M (+$3M buyout).

It is quite possible the team went over budget last year and would like to avoid doing so again this year, but one of the great things that Mark A's shown in his tenure as the owner is the flexibility to make the money available when the right deal presents itself. That combined with DS' patience and stubbornness to stick with his player evaluations has resulted in the January/February deals they've been able to strike the past two offseasons. Those opportunities may not happen again this year, but there are still a lot of FA and trade possibilities out there and the longer Donaldson/Ryu/Castellanos/Hill/Betances/Wood/Frazier/Nova remain on the market and teams fill needs other ways, the more likely one of them drops into DS' asking price and MA can tell him to pull the trigger.

All that said, DS has done an amazing job incrementally improving this team around the edges to the point that they're already arguably "similar" in talent to last year. If he can get another deal or two done in the next couple months, this should be a pretty interesting team going into the 2020 season.


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Posted: January 03, 2020, 3:13 AM Post
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I would love to see Taijuan Walker brought in as the 5th starter, pushing Houser to the bullpen. We add a mid rotation arm with upside and bump a guy to the bullpen who pitched very well out of the pen last year. This also adds another starting pitching option to the mix and allows Houser to compete with Peralta to be the 6th starter, while letting Houser dominate out of the pen.

Would 1/$4 million be enough? Add something like another $3 million in incentives, $1 million at each 20, 25, and 30 starts for a possible $7 million total?


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Posted: January 03, 2020, 7:29 AM Post
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RollieTime said:
Updated Player List

Position Players

Braun $14 million ($3 million deferred)
Cain $15 million ($1 million deferred)
Yelich $12.5 million
Garcia $7.5 million
Hiura $500K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $500K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)
Sogard $4.5 million
Smoak $4 million
Healy $250K+

Total $67.05 million

Rotation

Woodruff $500K
B. Anderson $5 million
Houser $500K
Lauer $500K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $9.5 million

Bullpen

Hader $5 million
Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $500K
Feyereisen $500K
Wahl $500K
D. Williams $500K

Total $15 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

D. Guerra $500K
Faria $500K
Burnes $500K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$67.05 + $9.5 + $15 + $8.25 = $99.8 Million Current Payroll

About $28 million below last year’s payroll


Right about where I have it, but FYI the new minimum salary for MLB is 555k not 500k. My table has it at $100.5 with minimums rounded up to 560k.


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Posted: February 16, 2020, 1:34 PM Post
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Location: Washburn, WI
Updated Player List

Position Players

Braun $14 million ($3 million deferred)
Cain $15 million ($1 million deferred)
Yelich $12.5 million
Garcia $7.5 million
Hiura $550K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $550K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez $2.73 million
Sogard $4.5 million
Smoak $4 million
Gyorko $1 million
Healy $250K+

Total $67.98 million

Rotation

Woodruff $550K
B. Anderson $5 million
Houser $550K
Lauer $550K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $9.65 million

Bullpen

Hader $4.1 million
Knebel $5.2 million
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $550K
Feyereisen $550K
Wahl $550K
Phelps $1.25 million

Total $15 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

Faria $550K
Burnes $550K
D. Williams $550K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$67.98 + $9.65 + $15 + $8.25 = $100.88 Million Current Payroll

About $27 million below last year’s payroll.

If I am missing a player, let me know. Otherwise this is at least a ballpark guess of about where the Brewers are at financially. They are in a good position to add at the deadline (or still prior to the start of the 2020 season) as well as take on a contract another team is looking to rid themselves of in return for some good young players.


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Posted: February 16, 2020, 1:54 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
Updated Player List

Position Players

Braun $14 million ($3 million deferred)
Cain $15 million ($1 million deferred)
Yelich $12.5 million
Garcia $7.5 million
Hiura $550K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $550K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez $2.73 million
Sogard $4.5 million
Smoak $4 million
Gyorko $1 million
Healy $250K+

Total $67.98 million

Rotation

Woodruff $550K
B. Anderson $5 million
Houser $550K
Lauer $550K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $9.65 million

Bullpen

Hader $4.1 million
Knebel $5.2 million
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $550K
Feyereisen $550K
Wahl $550K
Phelps $1.25 million

Total $15 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

Faria $550K
Burnes $550K
D. Williams $550K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$67.98 + $9.65 + $15 + $8.25 = $100.88 Million Current Payroll

About $27 million below last year’s payroll.

If I am missing a player, let me know. Otherwise this is at least a ballpark guess of about where the Brewers are at financially. They are in a good position to add at the deadline (or still prior to the start of the 2020 season) as well as take on a contract another team is looking to rid themselves of in return for some good young players.

So what you’re saying is they’ve positioned themselves to take on a majority of Nolan Arenado’s contract? [wink]


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Posted: February 16, 2020, 4:27 PM Post
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Plus another 5 mil in bonus incentives on Anderson and Lindblom right?

Any other incentives?


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Posted: February 17, 2020, 12:45 AM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
RollieTime said:
Updated Player List

Position Players

Braun $14 million ($3 million deferred)
Cain $15 million ($1 million deferred)
Yelich $12.5 million
Garcia $7.5 million
Hiura $550K
Arcia $2.2 million
Urias $550K
Pina $1.8 million
Gamel $1.4 million
Narvaez $2.73 million
Sogard $4.5 million
Smoak $4 million
Gyorko $1 million
Healy $250K+

Total $67.98 million

Rotation

Woodruff $550K
B. Anderson $5 million
Houser $550K
Lauer $550K
Lindblom $3 million

Total $9.65 million

Bullpen

Hader $4.1 million
Knebel $5.2 million
Claudio $1.8 million
Suter $1 million
Peralta $550K
Feyereisen $550K
Wahl $550K
Phelps $1.25 million

Total $15 million

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

Faria $550K
Burnes $550K
D. Williams $550K

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

Thames $1 million
Moustakas $3 million
Grandal $2.25 million
Garza $2 million

Total $8.25 million

$67.98 + $9.65 + $15 + $8.25 = $100.88 Million Current Payroll

About $27 million below last year’s payroll.

If I am missing a player, let me know. Otherwise this is at least a ballpark guess of about where the Brewers are at financially. They are in a good position to add at the deadline (or still prior to the start of the 2020 season) as well as take on a contract another team is looking to rid themselves of in return for some good young players.

So what you’re saying is they’ve positioned themselves to take on a majority of Nolan Arenado’s contract? [wink]


I would be on board with that! I highly doubt the Rockies would have any interest in including money in the deal, but if they included something like $40 million and could bring the AAV under $28 million for the next 7 seasons and if he is willing to not opt out, I would be all for it. I would expect a slight drop in his production leaving Coors, but he would still be a gold glove third baseman that should still be a .280/.350 hitter with 35 homers.

Looking at it financially for next season, his salary would basically replace Braun, Sogard, Arcia, and Smoak on the roster. While also having our C, 3B, SS, and 2B all locked up for 3+ seasons including this season.

Cain
Hiura
Yelich
Arenado
Narvaez
Braun/Garcia
Smoak/Braun
Urias
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Posted: February 19, 2020, 4:08 AM Post
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Well there goes Bettis. For pennies.

The Yankees have invited right-hander Chad Bettis to camp on a minor-league deal that according to The Post’s Joel Sherman would pay him $1.5 million if he makes the big league club and includes $2 million in performances bonuses.

Would have liked him in our system.


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Posted: February 19, 2020, 8:59 AM Post
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Is there any pitching worth adding at this point?


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Posted: February 19, 2020, 9:54 AM Post
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brewmann04 said:
Is there any pitching worth adding at this point?


Available free agents that were 0.5+ WAR pitchers last season-

Andrew Cashner (1.8 WAR)
Jason Vargas (1.8 WAR)
Collin McHugh (0.5 WAR)
Sam Dyson (0.9 WAR) - injured, will miss entire 2020 season
Aaron Sanchez (0.8 WAR) - injured, at minimum would miss first half of 2020 but could miss entire season

McHugh looks like he might be the last attractive candidate but he didn't pitch after August 30 due to a bad elbow and he missed a big chunk of 2017 with a bad elbow.

Have to look at the trade market if seeking quality pitching.


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Posted: February 19, 2020, 6:41 PM Post
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Thank you for the post i too would like McHugh but i agree that elbow issues are a big concern.


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