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Posted: November 05, 2019, 8:22 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
clancyphile said:
Up it to 5/$90M, and you might pull it off - albeit if you can get Grandal to defer the payments.

$10 million bonus
$16 million/year for 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024.


Are we bidding against ouselves here?


No, I thought Oxy's deal was too low, and had too few years.

Grandal wants the payday. He's earned it. I think his offensive profile - including superb OBP skills (evidenced over the last six years) - is going to stay solid. The big question is managing wear and tear.

Now, I think the Crew can do the wear and tear management with an eventual move of Grandal to first base. Grandal serves as primary catcher (100 games there 40-50 at 1B, Pina getting the other 62) for 2020-2022, eventually yielding to the Feliciano/Henry duo, and playing more and more 1B. I am banking that I can defer some of the money on the deal, and that Grandal will be amenable to an eventual move to first. But an AAV of $15M isn't going to bring Yaz back.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 10:37 PM Post
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I’ll be shocked if Grandal gets a 4 year deal from anyone right now, let alone a 5 year deal. Plus I’m really not a fan of deferring money. Don’t really like the thought of paying $5-$10 million every single year to different guys that aren’t even playing for you. Maybe I’m just petty, but I don’t think it’s wise to do it. We already will be paying Cain and Braun $3 million total from 2023-2027. Doesn’t seem like much, but once you start adding more deferred money such as the $2 million more from the suggested Grandal signing that would be paid out in the similar window, now it’s up to $5 million. Maybe we will be rebuilding by then and it won’t make much of a difference, but if we hit on some guys in the drafts, develop a little pitching, and possibly make a timely trade or two of some big name guys after the 2020 or 2021 season, it would be nice to not be paying $10 million to guys not playing for us when we are trying to be competitive.


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Posted: November 06, 2019, 10:28 AM Post
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RollieTime said:
I’ll be shocked if Grandal gets a 4 year deal from anyone right now, let alone a 5 year deal. Plus I’m really not a fan of deferring money. Don’t really like the thought of paying $5-$10 million every single year to different guys that aren’t even playing for you. Maybe I’m just petty, but I don’t think it’s wise to do it. We already will be paying Cain and Braun $3 million total from 2023-2027. Doesn’t seem like much, but once you start adding more deferred money such as the $2 million more from the suggested Grandal signing that would be paid out in the similar window, now it’s up to $5 million. Maybe we will be rebuilding by then and it won’t make much of a difference, but if we hit on some guys in the drafts, develop a little pitching, and possibly make a timely trade or two of some big name guys after the 2020 or 2021 season, it would be nice to not be paying $10 million to guys not playing for us when we are trying to be competitive.


At some point, the Brewers will see the window close, and they will need to re-tool/re-build.

When will that be? Probably in the 2024-2028 timeframe, give or take a few seasons either way. That would be marked by a reduced payroll, so I don't see deferred compensation as being a huge problem. There would be few big-money players, and plenty of minor-league prospects who would, when they hit the big leagues, earn the minimum.

Plus, with the way TV revenue and other things are shifting, the Crew could be paying $10 million and it would not be a huge issue.


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Posted: November 10, 2019, 10:37 PM Post
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From the MLBTR site the other day, Blue Jays’ Catchers Drawing Trade Interest


Pitching is the Blue Jays’ top priority this winter, and Toronto has already made one notable move on that front with its acquisition of Chase Anderson from the Brewers. It remains to be seen whether the Jays will look to free agency or further trades to upgrade its staff, though in regards to the latter option, Sportsnet.ca’s Shi Davidi reports that Toronto’s “catchers have also been drawing interest from other clubs” in preliminary trade discussions.

Danny Jansen handled the bulk of the work behind the plate for the Jays last season, hitting only .207/.279/.360 over 384 plate appearances but displaying some excellent defensive prowess in his first full MLB campaign. Both StatCorner and Baseball Prospectus cited Jansen as one of the league’s best pitch-framers, with BP also highly praising Jansen’s blocking skills. The 24-year-old held his own at throwing out baserunners, stopped 19 of 61 stolen base attempts.

It was quite a performance for a player who was more touted for his offensive skill coming up through the farm system, and if Jansen can improve to even average production with the bat, he’ll be a very valuable catcher going forward. This could also make him an interesting trade chip, though since Jansen is controlled through the 2024 season, the Jays would certainly want a solid return for his services. It could ultimately make for a tough negotiation since a rival team could rightly argue that Jansen hasn’t yet shown much hitting skill at the big league level.

Ultimately, there’s probably more evidence that the Jays still see Jansen less as a trade chip and more as their catcher of the future, so that could make Reese McGuire more expendable. An oblique injury sent Luke Maile to the injured list in July and limited him to just three games for the remainder of the season, as McGuire went on a hot streak and more or less entered into a timeshare with Jansen down the stretch.

Selected 14th overall by the Pirates in the 2013 draft, McGuire was rather surprisingly traded to Toronto in a 2016 deadline deal, packaged with fellow prospect Harold Ramirez and veteran lefty Francisco Liriano for right-hander Drew Hutchison. The trade was mostly about unloading Liriano’s $18MM in remaining salary for the Bucs, leaving the Jays to potentially reap the benefits from a catcher who has hit very well (.297/.343/.539 with seven homers in 138 PA) in his brief Major League career. McGuire also has above-average blocking and framing grades — something of the opposite of Jansen, McGuire was considered more of a glove-first catcher during his time in the minors.

This leaves Luke Maile looking like a potential non-tender candidate unless the Jays can find a trade partner. The veteran is projected to earn only $800K in arbitration this winter, though may no longer have a spot on Toronto’s roster if Jansen and McGuire are the new regular duo. Maile turns 29 in February, and hit a respectable .248/.333/.366 over 231 PA in 2018, though that solid season was sandwiched between two very poor years at the plate in 2017 and 2019.

The Blue Jays could also look to move younger catchers from within their farm system. Gabriel Moreno (#8), Alejandro Kirk (#12), and Riley Adams (#27) are all ranked within MLB Pipeline’s list of the top 30 Jays prospects. Adams is the most developed, with 81 games at Double-A last season, while Kirk reached the advanced A-ball level and Moreno spent all of 2019 at Single-A Lansing.


I doubt the Blue Jays would be open to actually trading Danny Jansen, but Reese McGuire, entering his age-25 season, may be a more realistic trade target. If they were looking to take a shot on someone who is still probably a year away, Riley Adams seems sort of interesting.


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Posted: November 11, 2019, 10:11 AM Post
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Reese McGuire is the exact player you try to acquire if you are the Brewers. Under team control until 2025.


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Posted: November 11, 2019, 10:17 AM Post
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mlloyd10 said:
Reese McGuire is the exact player you try to acquire if you are the Brewers. Under team control until 2025.


I'm personally not biting on his likely lucky or fluky MLB stats. He has talent/potential, but he has not really hit well at all in the minors.

He's projected for a .687 OPS next year.

Maybe he's got potential but the Jays would still be smart to make someone pay for that potential.


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