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Offline brewcrewdue80 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 13, 2020, 11:13 PM Post
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rickh150 said:
Hader just blew his last two saves and seven in all for 2020. He wasn't that far away from being pulled from the 9th inning- the best reliever in baseball.


He carried a 3.17ERA with Grandal as catcher and only a .54ERA with Pina as catcher. Love to see how well he does this year without Grandal catching him.
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Offline TJseven7 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 14, 2020, 12:23 AM Post
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rickh150 said:
Hader just blew his last two saves and seven in all for 2020. He wasn't that far away from being pulled from the 9th inning- the best reliever in baseball.


Yup. A dominant freak of a relief pitcher that has off days just like every other player in the game. If we had a manager who saw he was off and went to Lyles he might have had a hold. Biggest coaching pet peeve... putting people in position to fail or leaving them in position to fail.
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Offline bill hAll Star Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 14, 2020, 7:57 AM Post
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TJseven7 said:
rickh150 said:
Hader just blew his last two saves and seven in all for 2020. He wasn't that far away from being pulled from the 9th inning- the best reliever in baseball.


Yup. A dominant freak of a relief pitcher that has off days just like every other player in the game. If we had a manager who saw he was off and went to Lyles he might have had a hold. Biggest coaching pet peeve... putting people in position to fail or leaving them in position to fail.


The most beautiful thing is you can't be wrong when you make calls like this. We can all just assume that the next, inferior guy in wouldn't have blown the game in more spectacular fashion and forget that a broken bat single was the catalyst.

That said, in this case I was not a fan of how early he did start Hader...but I'll stop there as we won't want to rehash this.
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Offline reillymcshane Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 14, 2020, 9:24 AM Post
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stalton said:
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brewtank34 said:
Could use any...and I mean any..insider nuggets right about now calming the storm inside me that there is indeed a significant move in our near future that will make this years squad legit.

I have heard that the Brewers are very wary of adding contracts beyond the current CBA (which runs through 2021). It doesn't mean we won't add someone beyond 2 years - but it's unlikely.

This is very fringy information (know someone who knows someone type of stuff) - so don't take it as gospel. It does, however, gel with how this off season has been going with regards to roster construction.

Coming from an ignorant perspective, what changes could be made to the CBA that would dictate not wanting contracts to leak out into the new contract?

TJseven7 mentioned a few things in a previous post, but here are a few (mostly focusing on money).

Salaries - The players are finding that they are locked into a restricted system (pre-arbitration and the arbitration) during the times they are often having their peak years. Thus their chance to maximize their pay can be limited. (That is a general statement, and certainly doesn't apply to every player).

The players want avenues to get them to free agency earlier or some way to reward quality pay earlier.

Luxury tax - This has effectively become a salary cap for many teams in baseball (but not all). Does this change? Or go away? The players, of course, want it to go away. Others want a hard cap of some kind.

Revenue sharing - Does it change in any way (more money for Milwaukee, less money?).

There are other items as well that will certainly affect the Brewers, including things like an International Draft, player service time, etc. But it's the ones with big money that really could affect the team.
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Offline JosephC Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 19, 2020, 1:30 PM Post
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Just wasting some time this afternoon:

Dodgers get:
SS - Francisco Lindor (from Cleveland)
LHP - Josh Hader (from Milwaukee)
LHP - Eric Lauer (from Milwaukee)

Indians get:
SS - Corey Seager (from Los Angeles)
OF - Joc Pederson (from Los Angeles)
SS - Eduardo Garcia (from Milwaukee)
3B/1B - Edwin Rios (from Los Angeles)
OF - Jeren Kendall (from Los Angeles)
LHP - Scott Alexander (from Los Angeles)

Milwaukee gets:
LHP - Julio Urias (from Los Angeles)
RHP - Josiah Gray (from Los Angeles)
RHP - Kenta Maeda (from Los Angeles)
LHP - Brad Hand (from Cleveland)
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Offline 82brewcrew82 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 19, 2020, 4:54 PM Post
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You get uber props for creativity but I don't recall ever seeing a trade that complicated. Either way, I don't think Hader is moving any time soon barring some team getting stupid crazy.
but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave
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Online nate82 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 19, 2020, 7:32 PM Post
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JosephC said:
Just wasting some time this afternoon:

Dodgers get:
SS - Francisco Lindor (from Cleveland)
LHP - Josh Hader (from Milwaukee)
LHP - Eric Lauer (from Milwaukee)

Indians get:
SS - Corey Seager (from Los Angeles)
OF - Joc Pederson (from Los Angeles)
SS - Eduardo Garcia (from Milwaukee)
3B/1B - Edwin Rios (from Los Angeles)
OF - Jeren Kendall (from Los Angeles)
LHP - Scott Alexander (from Los Angeles)

Milwaukee gets:
LHP - Julio Urias (from Los Angeles)
RHP - Josiah Gray (from Los Angeles)
RHP - Kenta Maeda (from Los Angeles)
LHP - Brad Hand (from Cleveland)


I don't think the Indians would want Seager they would just be in the same position they are in now just a few more years down the road and the same with Pederson. I think Kendall and Rios make sense though. I would substitute Seager to Milwaukee and Gray to Cleveland. Maybe keep Pederson in the trade but I would think the Indians would want someone with more control. Maybe substitute Ray and the Brewers competitive balance pick to the Indians.
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Offline brewcrewdue80 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Post
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I almost think currently Urias and Lauer need to be similar value. Urias isnt pitching a full season of games until maybe after he becomes a FA. Lauer can this season. 87IP is Urias' most for a season his acquisition time has passed as a meaningful SP. RP sure. I think he stays on LA while we get Maeda. So gotta get somebody else from them. Seeing as Gray and Maeda is top return it should be a non pitcher.
I dont get Brad Hand or the Brewers SS at all. So just nix that.
That really means no 3rd team trade needed. Back to square 1 Hader to Dodgers for?
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Offline MadThinker88 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 19, 2020, 9:02 PM Post
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I agree.. Uber props for JospehC trying to put together a 3 team deal for discussion.
That said I can confirm for you the Tribe has no interest in Seager as a return. Otherwise Lindor would already be in Dodger Blue.

If the Dodgers aren't giving up Lux in the deal they are giving up multiple other top end prospects (2 of Verdugo, Ruiz, May). If neither of that happens, Lindor doesn't head to LA for at least a couple more seasons (he could always head west as a free agent, that is beyond the Tribe's control). That has been the stumbling block in a deal being made so far. Now this proposal includes Brad Hand. That would increase the needed return to CLE.

Going over the proposed CLE return:
C Seager - already spoken too, PASS
J Peterson - interesting (like half a season of Puig at the trade deadline last season) but being a pure platoon guy is redundant to guys like Naquin/ Daniel Johnson/ etc. Maybe he remains in a revised package but I think the Tribe would be looking toward other options
Edwin Rios - Much more interesting than Peterson. I could see him as part of Tribe return package.
Eduardo Garcia - Bear with me on this: I don't believe the Tribe would see him as a significant add. Yes he is young & putting up good numbers in the DOSL. I am giving credit where it is due. But the Tribe has minor league depth in 2 areas - young middle infielders and pitching. Besides Tyler Freeman (on par with B Turang), they also have high upside talents in Brayan Rocchio, Aaron Bracho, Raynel Delgado, Richard Palacios along with MANY others. I'm not putting E Garcia behind all those players (he likely falls behind some and ahead of others), but it does lead to a question - where does everyone get to play as the continue to develop? The Tribe has focused in the International market on MIF talent so E Garcia is likely more attractive (& bring a greater return) used in a deal with another organization. Especially at the trade deadline for MKE if they are still contending/ in the thick of the race..
J Kendall - Seems redundant to others already in Cleveland (or the higher levels of the CLE minors)..
S Alexander - Hard Pass. No interest.

Since the name came up via nate82- no interest in Corey Ray. Perhaps last off season (before other moves were made). Again CLE has multiple options of a similar skill set. The only difference is Ray was a high 1st round draft pick.
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Offline 3and2Fastball Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 20, 2020, 1:11 PM Post
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Hader not being traded yet seems like a clear indication of how much the Brewers value him as a true weapon out of the bullpen. They aren’t going to just give him away.

I would expect that they will keep him unless blown away by a blockbuster deal. Such a stance has risk (relievers are volatile year to year) but understandable. If the Brewers are out of it at the trade deadline I could see trade talks re Hader heating up substantially.
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Offline brewtank34 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 20, 2020, 4:15 PM Post
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I’m guessing his arbitration hearing is a factor in many of the decisions for the Crew. Once that concludes I believe the trade talks will ramp up again.
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Offline brewmann04 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 20, 2020, 7:27 PM Post
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I still think he will be staying unless some team blows them away.
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Offline Luke99 Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 21, 2020, 7:40 AM Post
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With Arrenado ramping the pressure up on the Rockies, maybe we can hit squeeze some juice from them

To Rockies: Hader

To Brewers: Ryan McMahon (3rd base of the future), Michael Toglia (1st rounder, switch hittting 1B with plus D), Terrin Vavra (SS or 2b, up the middle prospect Stearns loves), Jacob Wallace (RP with funky delivery the Brewers seem to like) and Jake McGee (solid bullpen piece, owed 9 million this year and then done)

rockies get better to appease Arrenado, Brewers replenish some farm and take a chance McGee can be 75% of Hader this year with no long term risk money wise. We would take on about 3 million extra this year (if Hader wins his Arb case)
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Offline Soupbone Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: January 21, 2020, 10:45 AM Post
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I would take that offer if I was the Brewers. I just get the feeling that the Arrenado situation is beyond making him happy with a trade.
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Offline RollieTime Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 21, 2020, 11:30 AM Post
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I wonder if the Brewers were looking at bringing in Severino as part of a Hader trade, but didn’t like the look of his medicals. Severino is experiencing forearm soreness and is scheduled to see a doctor today. There wasn’t anything linking Severino to Milwaukee, but he’s the caliber of player Stearns would look at getting as a return piece. It’ll be interesting to see how serious Severino’s injury is.
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Offline bill hAll Star Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 21, 2020, 1:27 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
I wonder if the Brewers were looking at bringing in Severino as part of a Hader trade, but didn’t like the look of his medicals. Severino is experiencing forearm soreness and is scheduled to see a doctor today. There wasn’t anything linking Severino to Milwaukee, but he’s the caliber of player Stearns would look at getting as a return piece. It’ll be interesting to see how serious Severino’s injury is.


Severino has 3/$30m left plus an option.

That's a very fair deal if he is 2018 Severino but that seems like a pretty big risk for the Brewers given the concerns coming into this season, even before he officially went in with forearm soreness.
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Offline Lathund Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 21, 2020, 6:04 PM Post
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While the Brewers probably had interest in Severino as part of a deal, I don't think he's someone the Yankees would have included. Not so much because he's too valuable or untouchable, more that he's the wrong kind of valuable for them to trade. Trading him for Hader would just open up a big hole on their roster.
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Offline JosephC Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 22, 2020, 8:52 AM Post
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No way would Severino been considered a part of this package. The Yankees were thin enough with starting pitching to begin with. If Severino is KO'ed for awhile, J.A. Happ is probably the #3 starter and it seemed like they wanted to dump him a couple months ago before Paxton and Severino went down.
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Offline JosephC Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 22, 2020, 11:52 AM Post
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Rays get:
LHP-Josh Hader

Brewers get:
LHP-Jose Alvarado
RHP-Shane Baz
LHP-Shane McClanahan
RHP-Joe Ryan
3B-Kevin Padlo
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Offline Fear The Chorizo Re: Hader trade ideas
Posted: February 22, 2020, 3:53 PM Post
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TJseven7 said:
rickh150 said:
Hader just blew his last two saves and seven in all for 2020. He wasn't that far away from being pulled from the 9th inning- the best reliever in baseball.


Yup. A dominant freak of a relief pitcher that has off days just like every other player in the game. If we had a manager who saw he was off and went to Lyles he might have had a hold. Biggest coaching pet peeve... putting people in position to fail or leaving them in position to fail.


Hader hit a batter that probably should have been a foul ball off the knob of his bat on a check swing, gave up a shattered bat hit that barely made the outfield, and walked Rendon on a 3-2 pitch. He then gave up a single to Soto and watched Grisham kick the ball away and guarantee 3 runs scoring on a routine single. Hader didnt strike out the side on 9 pitches like he has done on occasion, but he also wasn't getting shelled either. He didnt have good command but in all honesty he's the guy who got the brewers to that spot in the playoffs and the brewers should and did ride with him in that spot.
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