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Posted: February 13, 2020, 1:05 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I see a report out today that the Cubs are highly motivated to work out a deal with the Rockies to get Arenado - in exchange for Bryant and a prospect. Ugh....if that actually materializes. I would imagine that the Cubs would need Nolen to waive his opt-out clause in his contract that comes up in a couple of years to make this type of a move.

If this happens, I guess we just have to hope that his numbers take a dip when he doesn't get to play 1/2 his games in the thin air of Colorado.


They'd dip but he was still an 866 OPS guy away from Coors last year. So he'd be Bryant more or less with better defense.

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Posted: February 13, 2020, 1:12 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I see a report out today that the Cubs are highly motivated to work out a deal with the Rockies to get Arenado - in exchange for Bryant and a prospect. Ugh....if that actually materializes. I would imagine that the Cubs would need Nolen to waive his opt-out clause in his contract that comes up in a couple of years to make this type of a move.

If this happens, I guess we just have to hope that his numbers take a dip when he doesn't get to play 1/2 his games in the thin air of Colorado.


Why would he be willing to waive it?


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Posted: February 13, 2020, 1:14 PM Post
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That type of deal doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for the Rockies, but that front office is pretty bad. Hopefully that doesn't happen unless the Cubs are sending some really good prospects back to Colorado.


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Posted: February 13, 2020, 1:42 PM Post
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madtownhawk said:
I see a report out today that the Cubs are highly motivated to work out a deal with the Rockies to get Arenado - in exchange for Bryant and a prospect. Ugh....if that actually materializes. I would imagine that the Cubs would need Nolen to waive his opt-out clause in his contract that comes up in a couple of years to make this type of a move.

If this happens, I guess we just have to hope that his numbers take a dip when he doesn't get to play 1/2 his games in the thin air of Colorado.

If this were to happen, Stearns should be on the phone with Colorado and asking what it would take to get Bryant. That roster is not ready to win now, Bryant is only under contract until after 2021, and Colorado trading Arenado for Bryant would, in my opinion, be motivated only to get out of Arenado's contract.


Now this would be amazing if we could somehow pull that off! Rockies have Brendan Rodgers ready to step into their IF somewhere, so I'm sure they could shuffle some guys around to fill 3B.

Again though - would we even be able to put together a package good enough to get 2 years of Bryant? I'm guessing we'd have to part with one of Burnes/Freddy, then throw in Turang and maybe a Feliciano or Ashby?

Pipe dream that something like this would happen, but boy it would make the Brewers/Cubs rivalry even more spicy over the next couple of seasons!


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Posted: February 13, 2020, 3:05 PM Post
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Again though - would we even be able to put together a package good enough to get 2 years of Bryant? I'm guessing we'd have to part with one of Burnes/Freddy, then throw in Turang and maybe a Feliciano or Ashby?

If the Brewers could acquire Bryant from the Rockies with a Freddy Peralta, Tristan Lutz and Trey Supak deal, that would be pretty sweet.


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Posted: February 14, 2020, 11:01 AM Post
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That type of deal doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for the Rockies, but that front office is pretty bad. Hopefully that doesn't happen unless the Cubs are sending some really good prospects back to Colorado.


Other than the fact that the Rockies somewhat stupidly went "all-in" signing a lot of their vets and now are deciding they want to rebuild, the trade makes a lot of sense to me.

You get a prospect and a player arguably almost as good (or as good, depending on belief of Colorado effect) as Nolan Arenado and you're off the hook of any money for your next window of contention. You can also flip Kris Bryant at some point in the next 2 years if you are going into a deep rebuild.

You get out of the contract just as the decline should begin.

The Cubs get an elite player on a fair, yet long deal.

It honestly makes less sense to me for the Cubs. They're trying to get out of luxury tax-land and they trade for a guy that is making double the annual value of Bryant's current arbitration agreement for this year.

I would guess there is some form of salary relief for this year and maybe next coming back from Colorado in this trade. Maybe Tyler Chatwood returns to Colorado in this trade.

If Arenado opts out in 2021, other than the $ and prospect, the deal is a wash.


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Posted: February 14, 2020, 11:18 AM Post
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The trade value site has Bryant at about 38 a trade of Turang, Peralta and Feliciano gets you to about 37 which should be close enough for Bryant.


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