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Posted: January 15, 2020, 9:42 PM Post
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If (and when) the cardinals get arenado, I am going to be really mad.


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Posted: January 18, 2020, 11:04 AM Post
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I think Matt Carpenter has the ability to kill any chance of Arenado going to St. Louis. The Cardinals would almost certainly have to dump on contract on the Rockies, and Carpenter would be the obvious choice. The Cardinals have stated that they will not put Carpenter back in the outfield, and with Goldschimdt at 1B and Arenado at 3B, that would leave 2B as the only option for Carpenter and I don't think there is any chance they'd put him there. Carpenter now has no-trade protection, and he could easily demand the 2022 be made a guaranteed year which would make him as untradeable as Kyle Seager.

There is always a chance that Carpenter would agree to a trade to Colorado and maybe just demand a reassignment bonus of a few million to waive his no-trade, but Carpenter has all the power here and will be the one who makes the call on where he plays.

Have to wonder how much of the Rockies motivation to move Arenado comes from the opt-out? Maybe they are comfortable with the average annual value of the deal, but think they will get outbid for him if he does opt-out...and if that's the case then trade him now and take what you can get. If so, would the Rockies be OK with the 5 years, 110 million left on Goldschmidt's deal (22 million per season, far less than Arenado and no opt-out to worry about, St. Louis obviously picks up all remaining signing bonus payments)? Goldschimdt was by no means bad but probably was considered a slight disappointment in St. Louis last year (.821 OPS). That would put Carpenter at 1B and Arenado at 3B for the Cardinals. Daniel Murphy is basically on a 1 year deal (mutual option for 2021), but he could get kicked to 3B in Colorado. Obviously a long-shot, but it should would be a blockbuster if Arenado headed to St. Louis and Goldschmidt plus a few other pieces (including Liberatore) headed to Colorado. I would imagine there probably wouldn't be too many Brewer fans crying about this. Arenado is the better all-around "value" player, but very few hitters have beat up Brewer pitching like Goldschimdt. 1.097 career OPS against Brewer pitching.


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Posted: January 20, 2020, 8:48 PM Post
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This seems to be turning into a some what testy situation.

Arenado made some... interesting... comments about the trade rumors.

https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-arenado- ... ade-rumors


It feels like if the Brewers were interested in committing $30mm+ annually to a third baseman it would have been Rendon via free agency, but Arenado would look pretty good as a Brewers lol


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Posted: January 20, 2020, 9:00 PM Post
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If the Brewers can steal signs from the Rockies, why not a third baseman?

I don't think this can happen with all the offers that are sure to cross, but damn would I love Arenado, worries be damned.

Plus, the Rockies GM is from Milwaukee. Gotta think there's a discount to be had! [laughing]


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 8:12 AM Post
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So the Arenado issues appear to stem from him being ticked they haven't done a whole lot this offseason.

Gee Nolan, think it might have anything to do with the fact the Rockies recently spent like drunken sailors on veteran bullpen arms that have struggled and gave you an enormous contract??

At this point he's just positioning himself to opt out after next season and become a FA. He will be on the trade block at the deadline assuming the rockies are out of it, if not sooner should the rift between him and the front office get even more ugly.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 8:14 AM Post
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So the Arenado issues appear to stem from him being ticked they haven't done a whole lot this offseason.

Gee Nolan, think it might have anything to do with the fact the Rockies recently spent like drunken sailors on veteran bullpen arms that have struggled and gave you an enormous contract??

At this point he's just positioning himself to opt out after next season and become a FA. He will be on the trade block at the deadline assuming the rockies are out of it, if not sooner should the rift between him and the front office get even more ugly.


It bothers me that this is shaping up to be a way that the Cardinals are going to acquire him for peanuts.

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Posted: January 21, 2020, 8:20 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Fear The Chorizo said:
So the Arenado issues appear to stem from him being ticked they haven't done a whole lot this offseason.

Gee Nolan, think it might have anything to do with the fact the Rockies recently spent like drunken sailors on veteran bullpen arms that have struggled and gave you an enormous contract??

At this point he's just positioning himself to opt out after next season and become a FA. He will be on the trade block at the deadline assuming the rockies are out of it, if not sooner should the rift between him and the front office get even more ugly.


It bothers me that this is shaping up to be a way that the Cardinals are going to acquire him for peanuts.


I dunno, if the rockies really do get to the point they are going to trade him, there would be at least 10 teams making offers and they would take the highest bidder. That might wind up being the Cards, but it would cost alot...and I think regardless of where he goes, Arenado is opting out as long as he stays healthy. That means there would be a lot more teams interested in him for 2 years instead of 7-8.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 8:39 AM Post
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I know the Cardinals are the big rumor and been mentioned the whole time here. But with how LAD were in on Rendon why would they not be all in on this? They have more to trade than anyone.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 8:46 AM Post
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As much as I want Arenado as a Brewer, I'm going to actively force myself to not even think about the idea because there's not even a remote chance it happens. I'm going to use that hope to try and will him to a team other than the Cardinals.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 10:14 AM Post
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This is a player I'd trade Hader and Peralta/Burnes in a package for if that's where it has to start. You can feel free to disagree and question my intelligence, but I believe Arenado is the type of talent that you should get a little uncomfortable for if that's what it takes to make your team better. His home/road splits aren't wonderful, but they haven't been gross in 3 of the last 4 years in my quick look at it, if I did it right.

I do appreciate what the Brewers are doing, and yes I'd rather be consistently competitive than experience up and down cycles. But it's pretty tough to tell myself right now that acquiring Arenado for whatever the price won't make the team outlook worse going forward than the plan they are currently on. I'll take a two year trial window to make things stick even longer if I have the choice. It's a gamble I'd try to take if it's available.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 10:26 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Fear The Chorizo said:
So the Arenado issues appear to stem from him being ticked they haven't done a whole lot this offseason.

Gee Nolan, think it might have anything to do with the fact the Rockies recently spent like drunken sailors on veteran bullpen arms that have struggled and gave you an enormous contract??

At this point he's just positioning himself to opt out after next season and become a FA. He will be on the trade block at the deadline assuming the rockies are out of it, if not sooner should the rift between him and the front office get even more ugly.


It bothers me that this is shaping up to be a way that the Cardinals are going to acquire him for peanuts.


I dunno, if the rockies really do get to the point they are going to trade him, there would be at least 10 teams making offers and they would take the highest bidder. That might wind up being the Cards, but it would cost alot...and I think regardless of where he goes, Arenado is opting out as long as he stays healthy. That means there would be a lot more teams interested in him for 2 years instead of 7-8.


But, I don't think you end up with ten teams bidding. Arenado has full no-trade. So I'm sure he would let the Rockies know which team(s) he would even agree to go to. Plus how much surplus value does he even have over contract for the teams to actually bid on?


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 10:41 AM Post
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Arenado is the exact player I empty what is left of the farm system for. I understand the Brewers are a small market team and spending the money necessary to absorb his contract, while hopefully extending Yelich, will be exceptionally difficult, but it is how I would build the roster. Small market teams ultimately are successful when building the farm and striking when elite talent is available, much like with Yelich. If the Brewers can get Arenado to waive the no trade to play in Milwaukee, I am all in on that.

I simply drool at the idea of a 2-3-4 of Hiura-Yelich-Arenado for the next 5 seasons.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 11:08 AM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
I simply drool at the idea of a 2-3-4 of Hiura-Yelich-Arenado for the next 5 seasons.

His current contract allows him to opt-out after 2021


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 11:12 AM Post
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cesser000 said:
Warning Track Power said:
I simply drool at the idea of a 2-3-4 of Hiura-Yelich-Arenado for the next 5 seasons.

His current contract allows him to opt-out after 2021

Understood. Yelich is up after 2022 as well. I am making the assumption Yelich extends and Arenado would not opt-out if he was acquired.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 11:18 AM Post
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Those 3 combined in 5 years from now would cost about $90 million per season lol.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 11:26 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Fear The Chorizo said:
So the Arenado issues appear to stem from him being ticked they haven't done a whole lot this offseason.

Gee Nolan, think it might have anything to do with the fact the Rockies recently spent like drunken sailors on veteran bullpen arms that have struggled and gave you an enormous contract??

At this point he's just positioning himself to opt out after next season and become a FA. He will be on the trade block at the deadline assuming the rockies are out of it, if not sooner should the rift between him and the front office get even more ugly.


It bothers me that this is shaping up to be a way that the Cardinals are going to acquire him for peanuts.


I dunno, if the rockies really do get to the point they are going to trade him, there would be at least 10 teams making offers and they would take the highest bidder. That might wind up being the Cards, but it would cost alot...and I think regardless of where he goes, Arenado is opting out as long as he stays healthy. That means there would be a lot more teams interested in him for 2 years instead of 7-8.


On the surface, yes. But teams aren't lining up to acquire a $35M annual contract. No matter who the player is. You've got the opt out and the no trade too. This is probably going to be a situation similar to Stanton. A couple teams are going to want him but he's going to chose whatever team he wants and that team will get him for next to nothing if he's moved at all.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 12:46 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
Those 3 combined in 5 years from now would cost about $90 million per season lol.

Is that a lot?? [laughing]

I just really see the Brewers moves on offense this offseason as pointing to the acquisition of a larger, long term contract. Now perhaps that is the Yelich extension. But each of the following signings are for only one year:

-Healy 1 year $1 million
-Sogard 1 year $4.5 million
-Smoak 1 year $5 million ($1m buyout)
-Gyorko 1 year 2 million
-Morrison MiLB deal

With Braun deal expiring after this year, Yelich ($14m), Cain ($17m) and Garcia ($10.75m) are the only large offensive contracts on the books for 2021 (for a total of $41.75m). Hiura, Urias will still be pre-arbitration and Narvaez will likely be around $3-4m, which gives the Brewers 6 position players for around $45-$50m.

1B and 3B remain a hole and I won't be surprised if that isn't filled by a larger contract. Maybe not Arenado, but someone who could be a large fish in terms of a contract.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 2:33 PM Post
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If we're going to operate under the same constraints of what we have (a reasonably high payroll given market size, but not a big payroll) then I don't understand a Yelich extension. Not worth paying $150-200 million (or more) for 1-2 more elite years and then a bunch of years as he fades out as Braun has since 2014 or 2016 or whatever year one believes he did.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 2:41 PM Post
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If we're going to operate under the same constraints of what we have (a reasonably high payroll given market size, but not a big payroll) then I don't understand a Yelich extension. Not worth paying $150-200 million (or more) for 1-2 more elite years and then a bunch of years as he fades out as Braun has since 2014 or 2016 or whatever year one believes he did.


Yea that's almost blasphemy to say around WI at this point with how good he's been. But it's honestly probably the right course of action in order to maintain long term competitiveness (assume trading before his last year or at that deadline if we're not in it).

It's a tough balance but I think if I was them I'd be trying to work out an early extension now that he could put some big money in the bank but we also don't have to commit beyond say 34-35ish years old. he'd have to give a discount on it since he's 3 years away from FA or it's not worth it for us (if it's for 35 mil a year then what's the point for us). But if he's 31 and straight FA our market can't give him a 7-8 year mega deal. Unfortunately, I think he will want to hit straight up FA and not meet in the middle in the way I said and I think financially that's the right thing for him to do. Unless he got scared with that injury and would rather just put more money in the bank now than he'll ever be able to spend and not have to worry about it. I doubt it though.


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Posted: January 21, 2020, 2:59 PM Post
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Yeah while I'm sure the fan in me would be happy hearing about an extension I really don't think we *should* want one. We got Yelich on the absolute perfect deal for exactly the years you want him. If we sign him to an extension, you're getting him for a bunch of years that are past his prime for a ton more money. It's basically the same thing as taking the Albert Pujols deal from the Angels. Yes the guy was amazing in his prime, but having that contract soured really quickly, and for a team like Milwaukee could be debilitating.


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