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Offline markedman5 Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 22, 2021, 5:20 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
Do we know if Cain is going to play a full season?


It has been reported multiple times that the Brewers fully expect Cain to play this season.

Nothing has been mentioned or implied that he would play part if the season and then opt out.

Until Cain, Stearns or CC says otherwise we should all assume he will be back full time.
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Offline MNBrew Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 22, 2021, 6:00 PM Post
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turborickey said:
I'd take Bradley over both Garcia and Cain.

This would be great if we trade one of Cain/Garcia for a real 3B somehow...

If all three produce at their career norms, considering their total game, Cain's the best of the 3 and it's not even close.
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Offline turborickey Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 22, 2021, 6:21 PM Post
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MNBrew said:
turborickey said:
I'd take Bradley over both Garcia and Cain.

This would be great if we trade one of Cain/Garcia for a real 3B somehow...

If all three produce at their career norms, considering their total game, Cain's the best of the 3 and it's not even close.



Except Cain, is old, and Bradley is younger with more upside today...

No contest, I'd take Bradley over Cain today.
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Offline MNBrew Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 22, 2021, 6:26 PM Post
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turborickey said:
MNBrew said:
turborickey said:
I'd take Bradley over both Garcia and Cain.

This would be great if we trade one of Cain/Garcia for a real 3B somehow...

If all three produce at their career norms, considering their total game, Cain's the best of the 3 and it's not even close.



Except Cain, is old, and Bradley is younger with more upside today...

No contest, I'd take Bradley over Cain today.

At age 30 and a mostly unspectacular career offensive output, what upside do you see that's better than Cain's offense? Cain was off to a good start in 2020 -- in line with his career norms before opting out -- and he's not been banged up for over a year. When Stearns signed Cain, his comment about the money & term in that investment was that their analytics suggested Cain's skill set would age well.

Maybe we just agree to disagree. No harm in that.
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Offline brewcrewdue80 Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 23, 2021, 4:05 AM Post
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JBJ is 4 years removed from his one All Star season. Read the comments on Mlbtr on Brewers interest, one is a Sox fan that said good take him. Fall for the fact he was in one of his hot streaks in 2020 that didnt have the trash streak over a full season. Pretty much read that as a .235/.320/420 batter with solid defense. Nowhere near the upside of Cain his elder. Cain may post a BA higher than JBJ's OB. Hes a high floor player with little upside. Bats lefty and good side for a platoon with Garcia or injury insurance. I mentioned for the price he would make a solid solution to not pick up Garcia's option after 2021 and still have a Starting OF to plug in.
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Offline Devinep Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 24, 2021, 8:32 AM Post
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Since 3B is going to be a platoon, I can’t see the logic in having both Robertson and Arcia being the righty options (Urias should likely start all the time) and not just keep one. Then sign Gyorko to platoon with Shaw and be a plan B in case Shaw sucks again. Arcia doesn’t hit lefties, or anyone, well anyway
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Offline Ron Robinson's Beard Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 24, 2021, 8:36 AM Post
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Devinep said:
Since 3B is going to be a platoon, I can’t see the logic in having both Robertson and Arcia being the righty options (Urias should likely start all the time) and not just keep one. Then sign Gyorko to platoon with Shaw and be a plan B in case Shaw sucks again. Arcia doesn’t hit lefties, or anyone, well anyway


I think Gyorko still makes a lot of sense for this team. You can do a straight Shaw/Gyorko platoon to start, and both those guys are also good at 1B, which provides insurance for Hiura. Both can also play 2B. I wonder if they think Robertson could be younger (and cheaper) version of Gyorko?
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Offline Devinep Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: February 24, 2021, 9:10 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Devinep said:
Since 3B is going to be a platoon, I can’t see the logic in having both Robertson and Arcia being the righty options (Urias should likely start all the time) and not just keep one. Then sign Gyorko to platoon with Shaw and be a plan B in case Shaw sucks again. Arcia doesn’t hit lefties, or anyone, well anyway


I think Gyorko still makes a lot of sense for this team. You can do a straight Shaw/Gyorko platoon to start, and both those guys are also good at 1B, which provides insurance for Hiura. Both can also play 2B. I wonder if they think Robertson could be younger (and cheaper) version of Gyorko?


That is possible, but at least Robertson could still handle SS and be the backup to the Urias there. That way, they could have Gyorko and Robertson as the 2B/3B platoon RHBs and still have SS coverage. And they could move on from Arcia
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Offline ThisIsMyCrew Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 02, 2021, 8:16 PM Post
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Brewers were 1 of 11 teams at Yoenis Cespedes' showcase today. Apparently he was impressive per Jon Heyman.

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Offline JosephC Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 03, 2021, 9:51 AM Post
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Cespedes is a guy that is fun to watch, especially his arm which is fantastic. I'd like to see the Brewers sign him for that reason alone. But there are arguments to be made about if he is a reasonable fit for the roster. The Brewers stuck Braun in right field last year, not Yelich, which is extremely strong evidence that the Brewers do not want Yelich back in right field anytime soon. And at this point in his career, Cespedes is slower than most catchers and is probably limited to playing left field (also worth noting that Cepedes has never played right field, which is pretty amazing considering the cannon arm). So from that perspective, Cespedes doesn't really make that much sense. On the other hand, I look at the Brewers outfield depth past the three starters, and frankly it looks like just about any warm body could present a potential upgrade.
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Offline Hopper Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 03, 2021, 9:54 AM Post
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JosephC said:
On the other hand, I look at the Brewers outfield depth past the three starters, and frankly it looks like just about any warm body could present a potential upgrade.


I think you and many others are underselling Tyrone.
I'm expecting good things from him this year as our #4 outfielder.
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Online RollieTime Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 03, 2021, 10:22 AM Post
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JosephC said:
Cespedes is a guy that is fun to watch, especially his arm which is fantastic. I'd like to see the Brewers sign him for that reason alone. But there are arguments to be made about if he is a reasonable fit for the roster. The Brewers stuck Braun in right field last year, not Yelich, which is extremely strong evidence that the Brewers do not want Yelich back in right field anytime soon. And at this point in his career, Cespedes is slower than most catchers and is probably limited to playing left field (also worth noting that Cespedes has never played right field, which is pretty amazing considering the cannon arm). So from that perspective, Cespedes doesn't really make that much sense. On the other hand, I look at the Brewers outfield depth past the three starters, and frankly it looks like just about any warm body could present a potential upgrade.


You basically just guaranteed that Stearns will sign him and will be our opening day right fielder [wink] It’s the Stearns way!
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Offline Jopal78! Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 03, 2021, 10:41 AM Post
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Hopper said:
JosephC said:
On the other hand, I look at the Brewers outfield depth past the three starters, and frankly it looks like just about any warm body could present a potential upgrade.


I think you and many others are underselling Tyrone.
I'm expecting good things from him this year as our #4 outfielder.


I don't think anyone is underselling him. To his credit, there weren't many major league players taken in the 2nd round in 2012, so that he made it at all is an achievement. However, when he turned pro in 2012 Taylor was a CF with speed as his best tool.

I'm sure Tyrone Taylor would be adequate as a 5th outfielder, backing up CF, pinch running, defensive replacement and pinch hitting etc. He's miscast, however, as a corner outfielder, especially with Counsell who historically gets his 4th outfielder 350+ at bats. He hasn't hit enough or with enough power in the minors to suggest he'll be adequate as a semi-regular corner outfielder.
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Offline JohnBriggs12 Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 03, 2021, 9:42 PM Post
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Taylor's slugged .486 with 34 HR in 211 games at AAA, well above what he did in the lower levels where he was more of a doubles machine. He was flat out raking in the month leading up to his being called up in September of 2019. I think he's a 20-22 HR guy if he got regular AB's in the majors. I think you're underestimating his bat.
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Offline Hopper Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 8:04 AM Post
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Taylor is a guy that will succeed if given the opportunity imo.
I hope it's in a Brewers uniform, but it is almost looking like it won't be now that we signed Bradley to do what Taylor can do.
We still have no real 3B, and now a crowded outfield.
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Offline Brew4U Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 9:49 AM Post
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We have plenty of guys to play 3B. It just isn't who a lot of fans want. Arcia, Shaw, Robertson etc... will be there this season and I could see them out playing a lot of expectations.

I also don't see it as a crowded outfield. I see it as stacking players to provide much needed depth out there. We added a left-handed bat that pairs well with either Garcia or Cain. Not only that but he's basically Cain-like defensively.
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Offline sveumrules Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 11:16 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Taylor's slugged .486 with 34 HR in 211 games at AAA, well above what he did in the lower levels where he was more of a doubles machine. He was flat out raking in the month leading up to his being called up in September of 2019. I think he's a 20-22 HR guy if he got regular AB's in the majors. I think you're underestimating his bat.


Those raw slugging & HR totals are likely inflated because 2018 was in the launching pad of Colorado Springs then 2019 AAA used the juiced MLB baseball.

Minor league wRC+ isn't park adjusted, but it does take leaguewide offensive context into account & Tyrone posted a 110 wRC+ in 2018 at Colo Springs & a 90 wRC+ in 2019 at San Antonio.

For all his HR & SLG in AAA the last two years he's still only been around a league average-ish hitter.
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Offline PeaveyFury Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 2:46 PM Post
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So, what's left, if anything for Milwaukee? We seemingly had/have more money than thought, and it remains to be seen as to whether they're done or if there's still some to throw out there.

With the focus clearly on defense/run prevention, is there anyone else out there that fits the bill? Pitching probably is the most logical place to add, if they're still looking to.
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Offline BestInTheWorld Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 3:08 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
So, what's left, if anything for Milwaukee? We seemingly had/have more money than thought, and it remains to be seen as to whether they're done or if there's still some to throw out there.

With the focus clearly on defense/run prevention, is there anyone else out there that fits the bill? Pitching probably is the most logical place to add, if they're still looking to.


Adding Odorizzi to rotation.
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Offline wntrtxn21 Re: 2021 Free Agents
Posted: March 04, 2021, 4:12 PM Post
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BestInTheWorld said:
PeaveyFury said:
So, what's left, if anything for Milwaukee? We seemingly had/have more money than thought, and it remains to be seen as to whether they're done or if there's still some to throw out there.

With the focus clearly on defense/run prevention, is there anyone else out there that fits the bill? Pitching probably is the most logical place to add, if they're still looking to.


Adding Odorizzi to rotation.


After adding Bradley Jr. I don't see the Brewers spending anything more on FAs. I just don't see the team the way they are currently set up as contenders. After Woody and Burnes there isn't much and 3B is a hole once again.
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