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What is your 2020-2021 offseason plan for the Brewers?

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Posted: November 02, 2020, 1:47 PM Post
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SS - Lauer - Huge risk giving him job, but we have to take some chances

That would be a HUGE risk, but I like thinking outside the box! [wink]


Well that's a brain fart. Fixed it [smile]


Also, Gyorko is a right-handed hitter. If he batted lefty, I'm positive the Brewers would have picked up his option, given the team's affinity for left-handed power bats.

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Posted: November 02, 2020, 1:48 PM Post
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I have put together a roster of their current players to give an idea of where they are at financially as of today. Let me know if I am missing someone or have something incorrect.

Brewers 2020 Payroll

Batters
Lorenzo Cain- $16 million
Christian Yelich- $14 million
Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million
Omar Narvaez~ 2.9 million
Orlando Arcia~ $2.7 million
Manny Pina~ $2 million
Daniel Vogelbach~ $1.5 million
Keston Hiura- $600K
Luis Urias- $600K
Tyrone Taylor- $600K
Jacob Nottingham- $600K
Mark Mathias- $600K
Total: $52.6 million

Starting Pitchers
Brandon Woodruff~ $3 million
Josh Lindblom- $3 million
Corbin Burnes- $600K
Adrian Houser- $600K
Eric Lauer- $600K
Total: $7.8 million

Relief Pitchers
Josh Hader~ $5.5 million
Corey Knebel~ $5.1 million
Alex Claudio~ $2 million
Brent Suter- $1.55 million
Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million
Devin Williams- $600K
Eric Yardley- $600K
Drew Rasmussen- $600K
Justin Topa- $600K
Total: $17.75 million

Deferred/Buyouts
Ryan Braun- $4 million
Matt Garza- $2 million
Jedd Gyorko- $1 million
Eric Sogard- $500K
Total: $7.5 million

Total Current Payroll: $85.65 million


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 2:13 PM Post
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The Cain and Garcia $26M really drain what resources we could've had for this upcoming offseason of some cheap contracts.

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Posted: November 02, 2020, 9:43 PM Post
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Would love to see the Brewers non tender Knebel and Arcia and hope Cain opts out again. If you could get adequate value for Hader that would clear up quite a bit of space in the budget.


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Posted: November 02, 2020, 9:52 PM Post
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Relief Pitchers
Josh Hader~ $5.5 million
Corey Knebel~ $5.1 million
Alex Claudio~ $2 million
Brent Suter- $1.55 million
Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million
Devin Williams- $600K
Eric Yardley- $600K
Drew Rasmussen- $600K
Justin Topa- $600K
Total: $17.75 million


I won’t be shocked if the three highest paid relievers on that list aren’t with the team when 2021 gets underway.


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Posted: November 03, 2020, 11:11 AM Post
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Relief Pitchers
Josh Hader~ $5.5 million
Corey Knebel~ $5.1 million
Alex Claudio~ $2 million
Brent Suter- $1.55 million
Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million
Devin Williams- $600K
Eric Yardley- $600K
Drew Rasmussen- $600K
Justin Topa- $600K
Total: $17.75 million


I won’t be shocked if the three highest paid relievers on that list aren’t with the team when 2021 gets underway.

I think Knebel will be let go with that salary. It's not as if he's looked good lately. And with all the relievers on the market - it can go to other areas.

I agree about Claudio. Just not that good. You can find someone else that fits the club better at that price.

Hader is interesting. He's a great pitcher, but I just don't see anyone ponying up a ton for him when there's a lot of other options available in the FA market who are pretty good, including Liam Hendricks, Brad Hand, Trevor Rosenthal, Trevor May, Blake Treinen, Alex Colomé, Kirby Yates, Greg Holland and Mark Melancon.

Are they as good as Hader? Probably not - but you can get them without giving up a couple of top prospects.

Thus, I think we'll just go with Hader and a killer bullpen (I'd like to add one of those relievers to our stable as well. Hader, Williams and a guy like Hand would be amazing).


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Posted: November 04, 2020, 9:02 AM Post
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Next year is going to be a $$ squeeze year for everyone I think. Many FAs will be signed to one year deals. So I guess that the Hader question will be answered on whether a team feels that giving up prospects for Hader is "cheaper" than paying for a FA reliever (i.e. concerned more with cash flow than talent "currency').

It is also possible that Hader might be more valuable at the trade deadline given the current situation.


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Posted: November 04, 2020, 11:36 AM Post
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It is also possible that Hader might be more valuable at the trade deadline given the current situation.


Which I find to be very scary.

If he implodes in the first half, or is even just so-so, we will get nothing.

I'd much rather trade him off in the off season, depending on what we get obviously.

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Posted: November 06, 2020, 1:03 PM Post
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I really like this from Schoenfield at ESPN....

Predictions for all 30 teams.
Acquire Josh Bell from the Pirates, sign Tommy La Stella, re-sign Ryan Braun.


Bell will never happen but still like to think about it.

Edit: Added the link. Please link the source when quoting other websites. Thanks CWH


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Posted: November 06, 2020, 2:50 PM Post
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I really like this from Schoenfield at ESPN....

Predictions for all 30 teams.
Acquire Josh Bell from the Pirates, sign Tommy La Stella, re-sign Ryan Braun.


Bell will never happen but still like to think about it.


Even better was the Pirate's preview just below the Brewers:

What they could do: Well, I mean .... oh, let's not even go there.

What we predict they will do: Shed sad tears.


[laughing]


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Posted: November 08, 2020, 12:03 AM Post
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I’d push for a reunion with our draft pick— 3 years $50 million for Brantley to be our new 1b or OF, whatever he wants. Of course I wanted to go after him last time as well


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Posted: November 08, 2020, 10:17 AM Post
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I’d push for a reunion with our draft pick— 3 years $50 million for Brantley to be our new 1b or OF, whatever he wants. Of course I wanted to go after him last time as well


I wanted them to sign him a couple years ago too. He’s exactly the type of bat they need. I wonder if Avisail Garcia could learn first base and spend some time between first and the outfield instead of Brantley? Garcia is 6’4 and could probably transition to first pretty easily. A top of the order of Brantley, Cain, Yelich, and Hiura would be pretty nice.


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Posted: November 08, 2020, 12:00 PM Post
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DHonks said:
I’d push for a reunion with our draft pick— 3 years $50 million for Brantley to be our new 1b or OF, whatever he wants. Of course I wanted to go after him last time as well


I wanted them to sign him a couple years ago too. He’s exactly the type of bat they need. I wonder if Avisail Garcia could learn first base and spend some time between first and the outfield instead of Brantley? Garcia is 6’4 and could probably transition to first pretty easily. A top of the order of Brantley, Cain, Yelich, and Hiura would be pretty nice.


That would still give us a light hitting 1B, which is just a bog problem for this team.

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Posted: November 08, 2020, 12:04 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
DHonks said:
I’d push for a reunion with our draft pick— 3 years $50 million for Brantley to be our new 1b or OF, whatever he wants. Of course I wanted to go after him last time as well


I wanted them to sign him a couple years ago too. He’s exactly the type of bat they need. I wonder if Avisail Garcia could learn first base and spend some time between first and the outfield instead of Brantley? Garcia is 6’4 and could probably transition to first pretty easily. A top of the order of Brantley, Cain, Yelich, and Hiura would be pretty nice.


That would still give us a light hitting 1B, which is just a bog problem for this team.


not to mention a $17M price tag that Stearns won't pay and still a black hole at 3B.


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Posted: November 16, 2020, 3:53 PM Post
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Brewers’ Offseason Plan

The Brewers’ current payroll is in the neighborhood of $85.5 million. I would look to trade/DFA Arcia, saving $2.7 million and slot Urias into the everyday SS role. Vogelbach and his $1.5 million would be gone. Knebel would be non-tendered, freeing up his $5.1 million. Claudio and his ~$2 million will be DFA’d as well. I would also look to shop Hader, but will keep him on the roster for this exercise as I don’t think teams will be knocking down the Brewers’ door to add a relief pitcher who will be getting large pay increases after having a season without any fans. This would lower the current payroll to roughly $74.2 million.

I would look to add switch hitting Carlos Santana as the first baseman for 1/$5 million. He adds some pop to the lineup which we lacked last year and will take his walks. Next would be Tommy La Stella for third base at 3/$18 million. Not a ton of power, but will make solid contact, carries a minuscule K rate, and walks quite a bit. Nice leadoff hitter to add to the lineup the next few seasons.

Gyorko would be brought back on a one year deal for $2 million to play some first and third and be a nice bat off the bench.

And finally, I would add Charlie Morton on a 1/$10 million contract with $2 million deferred to keep payroll down, while moving Houser to the pen where he has pitched extremely well.

Batters
OF Lorenzo Cain- $16 million
OF Christian Yelich- $14 million
OF Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million
3B/2B/1B Tommy La Stella- $6 million
1B/3B Carlos Santana- $5 million
C Omar Narvaez~ 2.9 million
1B/3B Jedd Gyorko- $2 million
C Manny Pina~ $2 million
2B Keston Hiura- $600K
SS/3B/2B Luis Urias- $600K
OF Tyrone Taylor- $600K
C Jacob Nottingham- $600K
2B/SS/3B/OF Mark Mathias- $600K
Total: $61.4 million

Starting Pitchers
Charlie Morton- $10 million, $2 million deferred to 2021
Brandon Woodruff~ $3 million
Josh Lindblom- $3 million
Corbin Burnes- $600K
Eric Lauer- $600K
Total: $15.2 million

Josh Hader~ $5.5 million
Brent Suter- $1.55 million
Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million
Devin Williams- $600K
Adrian Houser- $600K
Eric Yardley- $600K
Drew Rasmussen- $600K
Justin Topa- $600K
Total: $11.25 million

Deferred/Buyouts
Ryan Braun- $4 million
Matt Garza- $2 million
Jedd Gyorko- $1 million
Eric Sogard- $500K
Total: $7.5 million

Total Payroll: $95.35 million

I tried to keep the payroll in the $95 million range as I feel like they will look to run a payroll in the $90-$95 million range.


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Posted: November 16, 2020, 4:15 PM Post
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A different idea I could see the Brewers doing and a much more plausible scenario instead of Morton would be bringing in a guy like Mike Fiers on a 1/$5 million contract to get a good quality innings eater type starter that keeps you in the game and has pitched 165+ innings the last three seasons prior to 2020.

The other $5 million could be used on bringing in a relief pitcher like Kintzler for $3 million with the last couple million going to some guy late in the offseason looking for work. Someone like Eric Thames if we have the DH spot would be a solid get. Jordy Mercer is another option. He’s a professional hitter that could start a bunch of games for you and not hurt you.


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Posted: November 16, 2020, 6:00 PM Post
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I see no chance that we will have a payroll above 90 million.

I think our final payroll will look more like the $85 million, and that is max.

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Posted: November 16, 2020, 6:31 PM Post
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A different idea I could see the Brewers doing and a much more plausible scenario instead of Morton would be bringing in a guy like Mike Fiers on a 1/$5 million contract to get a good quality innings eater type starter that keeps you in the game and has pitched 165+ innings the last three seasons prior to 2020.

The other $5 million could be used on bringing in a relief pitcher like Kintzler for $3 million with the last couple million going to some guy late in the offseason looking for work. Someone like Eric Thames if we have the DH spot would be a solid get. Jordy Mercer is another option. He’s a professional hitter that could start a bunch of games for you and not hurt you.


I have liked Mercer for a while too. Good vet who can play an adequate SS and 2B. Another guy I like for a bench spot (if Stearns lets Arcia go) is Ehire Adrianza. Switch hitter who can play all the IF positions. I would rather go with a T. Walker at 2/$14M and forget Fiers and Kintzler though. I think Walker could bring more than Fiers. No need to spend money on the pen, depending on what happens with Hader. I think Vogelbach offers as much or more than Thames.


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Posted: November 16, 2020, 6:36 PM Post
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I see no chance that we will have a payroll above 90 million.

I think our final payroll will look more like the $85 million, and that is max.


I believe you are absolutely correct, but I hope we are both wrong. There is a lot of good talent available that could help the pathetic offense. And at reduced asking prices.


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Posted: November 16, 2020, 6:43 PM Post
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Stearns often zags when others zig. Might MA decide this is a good chance to go for it?


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