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Offline Brewers Numbers Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 22, 2020, 4:06 PM Post
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brewcrewdue80 said:
Outlander said:
Why do you keep saying he is pre arbitration, he is not.


Baseball Reference Bio on him:
Renato Núñez
Positions: Designated Hitter, Third Baseman and First Baseman
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-1, 220lb (185cm, 99kg)
Team: Baltimore Orioles (majors, designated for assignment)
Born: April 4, 1994 (Age: 26-232d) in Valencia, Venezuela ve
Debut: September 12, 2016 (Age 22-161d, 18,907th in MLB history)
vs. KCR 1 AB, 0 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 2018 season
2021 Contract Status: Pre-Arb Eligible
Service Time (01/2021): 2.167 • Arb Eligible: 2022 • Free Agent: 2025


He's got 2 years and 167 days - he would be eligible as a super two. MLBTradeRumors had him as arb eligible too with a $2.1MM – $3.9MM range. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/ ... nment.html https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/ ... -2021.html
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Offline brewcrewdue80 Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 22, 2020, 7:21 PM Post
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Brewers Numbers said:
brewcrewdue80 said:
Outlander said:
Why do you keep saying he is pre arbitration, he is not.


Baseball Reference Bio on him:
Renato Núñez
Positions: Designated Hitter, Third Baseman and First Baseman
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-1, 220lb (185cm, 99kg)
Team: Baltimore Orioles (majors, designated for assignment)
Born: April 4, 1994 (Age: 26-232d) in Valencia, Venezuela ve
Debut: September 12, 2016 (Age 22-161d, 18,907th in MLB history)
vs. KCR 1 AB, 0 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 2018 season
2021 Contract Status: Pre-Arb Eligible
Service Time (01/2021): 2.167 • Arb Eligible: 2022 • Free Agent: 2025


He's got 2 years and 167 days - he would be eligible as a super two. MLBTradeRumors had him as arb eligible too with a $2.1MM – $3.9MM range. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/ ... nment.html https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/ ... -2021.html


Okay then. Obviously see where I was mislead above.
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Offline Brewers Numbers Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 22, 2020, 9:30 PM Post
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brewcrewdue80 said:
Brewers Numbers said:
He's got 2 years and 167 days - he would be eligible as a super two. MLBTradeRumors had him as arb eligible too with a $2.1MM – $3.9MM range. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/ ... nment.html https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/ ... -2021.html


Okay then. Obviously see where I was mislead above.


Sadly, I've found you can't trust one source for arb status, # of options, service time, contact $, etc. They all align for like 10 days in December during the Winter Meetings and then go to hell by the end of the season.
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Offline JohnBriggs12 Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 23, 2020, 5:29 PM Post
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jerichoholicninja said:
From what I've read his defense is terrible everywhere. If there's a DH in the NL, sure. Otherwise this is the opposite of a Stearn's signing. This one would have Melvin all over it though.


They could get by rotating Nunez and Vogelbach at 1B on a team that has starters like Woodruff and Burns and relievers like Hader and Williams. There's simply not that many balls put in play, particularly in the infield.
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Offline turborickey Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 25, 2020, 6:15 PM Post
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Orioles released 1B/DH Renato Nunez.

Nunez went unclaimed on waivers, but he should now command multiple offers in free agency after putting up a strong .816 OPS with 12 home runs and 31 RBI over 52 games for Baltimore during the shortened 2020 campaign. NL teams may have been hesitant to claim him given the still-uncertain DH situation for 2021.

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Offline Brew4U Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 25, 2020, 7:02 PM Post
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Pretty rotten for the MLB to not be clear on whether the DH is here to stay or not. Gives AL teams an advantage in these situations.
"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun
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Offline turborickey Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 25, 2020, 8:58 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Pretty rotten for the MLB to not be clear on whether the DH is here to stay or not. Gives AL teams an advantage in these situations.


Yeah, that needed to be decided by now for sure.

Kind of ridiculous that we still don't know.
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Offline brewmann04 Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 25, 2020, 9:17 PM Post
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I agree what the issue looking into him?
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Offline JohnBriggs12 Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 26, 2020, 8:44 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Pretty rotten for the MLB to not be clear on whether the DH is here to stay or not. Gives AL teams an advantage in these situations.


I think he'd be adequate enough to take him to play 1B. He improved there from 2019 to 2020 defensively. It's not exactly like the Brewers have guys waiting in the wings at that position and he's theoretically just entering his prime. If they keep Vogelbach and there's no DH, you just do a soft platoon and you can stick Nunez at 3B on the days Woodruff and Burnes are pitching since there's very little ground ball action to the left side on those days.
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Offline Brew4U Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: November 26, 2020, 9:12 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Brew4U said:
Pretty rotten for the MLB to not be clear on whether the DH is here to stay or not. Gives AL teams an advantage in these situations.


I think he'd be adequate enough to take him to play 1B. He improved there from 2019 to 2020 defensively. It's not exactly like the Brewers have guys waiting in the wings at that position and he's theoretically just entering his prime. If they keep Vogelbach and there's no DH, you just do a soft platoon and you can stick Nunez at 3B on the days Woodruff and Burnes are pitching since there's very little ground ball action to the left side on those days.


I think your point is valid and it could be true that this guy could make it just fine as our daily first basemen, but it is still ridiculous to have it floating around out there that the NL "might" have a DH and that teams aren't able to plan accordingly for it. You might be much more willing to take on Nunez and a guy like Vogelbach if you know that you can slide one or both to a DH spot if they crash and burn playing defense.
"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun
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Offline areacodes Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 02, 2020, 12:56 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
JohnBriggs12 said:
I think he'd be adequate enough to take him to play 1B. He improved there from 2019 to 2020 defensively. It's not exactly like the Brewers have guys waiting in the wings at that position and he's theoretically just entering his prime. If they keep Vogelbach and there's no DH, you just do a soft platoon and you can stick Nunez at 3B on the days Woodruff and Burnes are pitching since there's very little ground ball action to the left side on those days.


I think your point is valid and it could be true that this guy could make it just fine as our daily first basemen, but it is still ridiculous to have it floating around out there that the NL "might" have a DH and that teams aren't able to plan accordingly for it. You might be much more willing to take on Nunez and a guy like Vogelbach if you know that you can slide one or both to a DH spot if they crash and burn playing defense.


Couldn’t that possibly play into the Brewers to get him a little cheaper? Figure more NL teams aren’t as interested without knowing there will be a DH and it suppresses his market a bit?
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Offline BestInTheWorld Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 02, 2020, 2:55 PM Post
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We need a good power bat at 1B... Nunez is still young, perfect guy to put at 1B.

Then make a trade for a young 3B (Dalbec or Chavis from Boston), call it good.
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Offline wntrtxn21 Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 02, 2020, 4:08 PM Post
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BestInTheWorld said:
We need a good power bat at 1B... Nunez is still young, perfect guy to put at 1B.

Then make a trade for a young 3B (Dalbec or Chavis from Boston), call it good.


Does Chavis even play 3B? I thought he was a 1B who could be an emergency fill in at 2B.
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Offline BestInTheWorld Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 02, 2020, 7:20 PM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
BestInTheWorld said:
We need a good power bat at 1B... Nunez is still young, perfect guy to put at 1B.

Then make a trade for a young 3B (Dalbec or Chavis from Boston), call it good.


Does Chavis even play 3B? I thought he was a 1B who could be an emergency fill in at 2B.


Was his most played position in the minors.

All Levels (4 Seasons) 1B 98 88 788.1 727 680 42 5 53 .993 8.24 7.37
All Levels (2 Seasons) 2B 60 54 477.0 216 95 115 6 32 .972 3.96 3.50
All Levels (6 Seasons) 3B 267 263 2258.2 707 160 490 57 45 .919 2.59 2.43
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Offline BestInTheWorld Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 02, 2020, 8:09 PM Post
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Changed my mind... Sign Nunez to play 1B and Maikel Franco to play 3B.

Added two power hitters to our lineup.
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Offline Soupbone Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 03, 2020, 7:46 AM Post
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Do we really expect more from Nunez/Franco than we did from Smoak/Gyorko?
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Offline Ron Robinson's Beard Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 03, 2020, 7:54 AM Post
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Soupbone said:
Do we really expect more from Nunez/Franco than we did from Smoak/Gyorko?


I mean, yeah, probably. If I remember right, there was some positive buzz about the Smoak signing last year, but there was none with Gyorko. In fact, that move was pretty soundly panned. Which in the end shows what we all know about building a baseball team.

At least with Nunez and Franco, there's still some perceived upside there.
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Offline MrAllen Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 03, 2020, 8:36 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
Soupbone said:
Do we really expect more from Nunez/Franco than we did from Smoak/Gyorko?


I mean, yeah, probably. If I remember right, there was some positive buzz about the Smoak signing last year, but there was none with Gyorko. In fact, that move was pretty soundly panned. Which in the end shows what we all know about building a baseball team.

At least with Nunez and Franco, there's still some perceived upside there.

I would also add that I think we would expect more from Nunez/Franco than... Vogelbach/Urias or whatever it is we have now. Especially when you tack on the flexibility it then creates to play Urias at SS and potentially Vogelbach at DH. We need to make the roster better than it is now, unfortunately with our financial restrictions that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be significantly better than it was a year ago. That said, Gyorko was a nice surprise, but it's not like there's a high bar to surpass in order to get better production from the corner spots this year.
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Offline sveumrules Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 03, 2020, 8:44 AM Post
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Soupbone said:
Do we really expect more from Nunez/Franco than we did from Smoak/Gyorko?


Something Renato/Maikel have in common is that they both got "lucky" in 2020 based on expected wOBA. Nunez was at .301 xwOBA vs .341 actual, 29th "luckiest" out of 257 qualifiers & Maikel was at .296 xwOBA vs .324 actual, 52nd "luckiest".

Franco was projected at 92 OPS+ entering 2020, posted a 109 OPS+ in 243 PAs, but only saw his OPS+ projection rise to 95 for 2021.

Nunez was projected at 103 OPS+ entering 2020 & posted a 121 OPS+ in 216 PAs. The Orioles ZiPS aren't out yet, but given Renato's OPS+ was even "luckier" than Maikel's, I wouldn't expect his projection to go up more than a couple two tree points.

For reference, Smoak/Gyorko were projected at 106/98 entering 2020, so essentially a wash. Nunez/Franco are younger, with more upside on offense, but probably also a lower defensive floor, though Maikel has graded out okay (-2 DRS, +1.2 UZR) in 1359 innings from 2019-20 after starting out his career considerably worse afield.
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Offline MrTPlush Re: Renato Nunez
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Posted: December 03, 2020, 9:12 AM Post
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First thing to agree on, he is not versatile. He had a -1.5 WAR defensively in 2019. Just because someone plays more than one position does not make them versatile...at least not in a good way. He is the kind of dude who will have 30+ errors at 3B.

That being said I would prefer this guy way more than Vogelbach as a DH and maybe even as a 1B.
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