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Posted: December 22, 2020, 11:55 AM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
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Gallo is just another version of Chris Carter, hits a pile of homers but not much else and will strike out close to 200 times. Not the type of player The GM typically goes for.


Career number-wise the two are similar:
Gallo: 208/327/499/825
Carter: 217/312/456/768

Their best years (both at age 25 - and both in limited games) are a bit different however:
Gallo: 253/389/598/986 over 70 games (2019)
Carter: 239/350/514/864 over 67 games

Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.

I'm not going to spend a lot on Gallo to acquire him, but a Ray/Lutz/Lazar package isn't that expensive. Perhaps 2019 was his flash in a pan or maybe he is trending up. He will be 27 this year, so he is just in his prime years.

Jopal78! said:
Besides that, the aforementioned package of players are more valuable in the eyes of Brewer fans than they likely are to other clubs. Lutz and Lazar haven’t played above A ball and have legit questions about their skill sets. Ray is already a draft bust, and not ready for the majors despite being an advanced college player. Turang is a fringe top 100 prospect who may develop into a player but could also wind up being overmatched offensively as the competition gets better


I'm confused. You say this package will be more valuable to other teams, then point out all the flaws in the package. Isn't that why it aligns with (an imperfect) Gallo?

I believe you misread his point. CWH is saying WE (Brewers fans) likely see more value in our "prospects" than other teams would, and pointing out the flaws is done to illustrate the point.


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:09 PM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.


His projected arbitration salary was $8m IIRC. Despite the HR title, he only put up a 113 wRC+. Combine that with poor baserunning and poor defense at 1B, and he was a below-average player (1 fWAR, 0.9 rWAR). Replacing him with Aguilar and Thames, for less money, was an excellent move, I suspect many GMs would not have dared non-tender the HR champion. He put up a 71 wRC+ with the Yankees in 2017 and hasn't played in the majors since.


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:36 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.


He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:18 PM Post
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sveumrules said:
Brew4U said:
Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.


He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.


I just am a believer that he's not going to be the same man.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:41 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
sveumrules said:
Brew4U said:
Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.


He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.


I just am a believer that he's not going to be the same man.


Not going to be the same man how?

I mean if you're saying you don't think he'll hit at a 171 OPS+ like he did for 1231 PAs between 2018-2019, I agree. That is very likely his career peak & he probably won't produce at those levels again. Even Mike Trout is only projected for a 174 OPS+ in 2021.

If you're saying that you think his 111 OPS+ from 2020 is indicative of a new true talent level, I guess all I can say is I hope that you are wrong and over reacting to a small sample of 247 PAs (in 58 of 60 games) during a pandemic altered season.

Personally, I think the ZiPS projection of a 135 OPS+ is probably a little low & would take the over for Christian in 2021.


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 2:02 PM Post
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MNBrew said:
I believe you misread his point. CWH is saying WE (Brewers fans) likely see more value in our "prospects" than other teams would, and pointing out the flaws is done to illustrate the point.


Yeah, I did misread that. Thanks for pointing it out.


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Posted: December 22, 2020, 2:06 PM Post
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Lathund said:
CheezWizHed said:
Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.


His projected arbitration salary was $8m IIRC. Despite the HR title, he only put up a 113 wRC+. Combine that with poor baserunning and poor defense at 1B, and he was a below-average player (1 fWAR, 0.9 rWAR). Replacing him with Aguilar and Thames, for less money, was an excellent move, I suspect many GMs would not have dared non-tender the HR champion. He put up a 71 wRC+ with the Yankees in 2017 and hasn't played in the majors since.


Yes, but we could've easily resigned him for much less as there was little demand for him. Obviously, no one knows how he would've turned out for the Brewers the second year, but I have to believe being in a situation where he was an everyday player is easier than the part-time he was with NYY.

Signing Thames ultimately was the right move. But at the time, it was very also very risky. Getting Aguilar was just dumb luck.


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Posted: December 23, 2020, 12:01 PM Post
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If Gallo only wants to play in OF, then it's a huge no. Team has large amounts of money spent on 3 OFs already. Prospect capitol and Payroll capitol needs to fill needs not luxuries.


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Posted: December 23, 2020, 1:11 PM Post
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I actually kind of like this idea. As sveumrules notes it would really only be about 25% of his time at 1B if things go well with Vogelbach. If things go south with Vogelbach then can reallocate the playing time. Gallo is pretty solid against both lefties and righties and can in theory also play all three OF positions. Still not sure how eager the Rangers really are with some comments they make praising him but worth pursuing IMHO.


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