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Offline BestInTheWorld Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 28, 2020, 11:59 AM Post
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I really wouldnt mind making a deal with Tigers for Candelario... Tigers dont have a spot for him with Paredes taking over at 3rd and I'm sure Spencer won't be in AAA long.

Switch hitter who can play 3rd or 1st... I would put him at 3rd though.

Maybe something like Lutz and Zach Brown get it done.
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Offline BrewCrewBlueDevil Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 28, 2020, 2:58 PM Post
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The Tigers have a weak catching tandem. Pina, Nottingham or Navarez (Tiger's choice) and Ethan Small. I bet they'd bite on Navarez which frees up salary to address 1B.
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Offline wntrtxn21 Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 28, 2020, 3:06 PM Post
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BestInTheWorld said:
I really wouldnt mind making a deal with Tigers for Candelario... Tigers dont have a spot for him with Paredes taking over at 3rd and I'm sure Spencer won't be in AAA long.

Switch hitter who can play 3rd or 1st... I would put him at 3rd though.

Maybe something like Lutz and Zach Brown get it done.


I'm very apprehensive about Candelario. In the abbreviated 2020 season he hit well. In 2018 & 2019 together he hit .219/.312 OPS of .698. He is projected to hit .235/.324 OPS of .724.... I guess it depends on which version of him the Brewers think they'd be getting.
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Offline jerichoholicninja Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 29, 2020, 1:52 PM Post
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Had him on my fantasy team last year. His whole season's stats are propped up by a few weeks where he hit like Barry Bonds. He was really bad outside of that time. However, I still think he could be a good addition. I'd give up Pina or Nottingham for him but certainly not Navarez or Small.
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Offline turborickey Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 29, 2020, 4:00 PM Post
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Ethan Small in this deal, PASS, hard pass...
"I'm sick of runnin' from these wimps!" Ajax - The WARRIORS
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Offline adambr2 Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: December 29, 2020, 9:35 PM Post
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Small is almost 24 and has less than 20 innings above the rookie ball level. As prospects go, he's still much closer to a lottery ticket than a sure thing.

Still, I agree about not willing to pay much for Candelario. Looking at the body of work for his entire career it's hard not to think his 2020 season was a mirage.
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Offline JohnBriggs12 Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 01, 2021, 3:23 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Small is almost 24 and has less than 20 innings above the rookie ball level. As prospects go, he's still much closer to a lottery ticket than a sure thing.

Still, I agree about not willing to pay much for Candelario. Looking at the body of work for his entire career it's hard not to think his 2020 season was a mirage.


Small was considered the most advanced college pitchers in the draft when he was drafted in 2019. The knock on him was his ceiling wasn't all that high. He logged 107 innings in college in 2019 in the SEC, considered the best of any college conferences and Brewers protected him at lower levels that he dominated. He'd likely have started 2020 at AA and progressed to AAA.

By the way at Mississippi State as a senior, in those 107 innings, he allowed just 61 hits and fanned 176.

Not a lottery ticket at all. In fact, he's one of the more sure things they have to be a major league starter by 2022.
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Offline adambr2 Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 01, 2021, 4:05 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
adambr2 said:
Small is almost 24 and has less than 20 innings above the rookie ball level. As prospects go, he's still much closer to a lottery ticket than a sure thing.

Still, I agree about not willing to pay much for Candelario. Looking at the body of work for his entire career it's hard not to think his 2020 season was a mirage.


Small was considered the most advanced college pitchers in the draft when he was drafted in 2019. The knock on him was his ceiling wasn't all that high. He logged 107 innings in college in 2019 in the SEC, considered the best of any college conferences and Brewers protected him at lower levels that he dominated. He'd likely have started 2020 at AA and progressed to AAA.

By the way at Mississippi State as a senior, in those 107 innings, he allowed just 61 hits and fanned 176.

Not a lottery ticket at all. In fact, he's one of the more sure things they have to be a major league starter by 2022.


I didn't say he was a lottery ticket. I said he's closer to a lottery ticket than a sure thing at this point in his career. Which he is. I understand what his scouting report was, but any prospect who hasn't played above A ball isn't a sure thing to get to this level. Corey Ray was supposed to be a low ceiling, high floor sure thing too.
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Offline MNBrew Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 02, 2021, 4:30 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Small is almost 24 and has less than 20 innings above the rookie ball level. As prospects go, he's still much closer to a lottery ticket than a sure thing.

Still, I agree about not willing to pay much for Candelario. Looking at the body of work for his entire career it's hard not to think his 2020 season was a mirage.

Normally I'd tend to agree with that line of thinking. However, Small was a 2019 draft pick who's only been able to pitch 1/2 of 1 season in professional competition. Like the vast majority of minor leaguers, he couldn't play MiLB in 2020.

I'd say that hardly puts him in the "lottery ticket" category, which leads me to think of him as very much still a prospect. And I want nothing to do right now with throwing one of our better SP prospects away in a trade.

One related question: While on one hand we (fans) often tend to overvalue our own (favorite team's) prospects, doesn't it seem those who view our cupboard as bare probably do the same in reverse for other team's prospects? Seriously, by this logic, is every 2019 1st round pick drafted out of college now more of a lottery ticket?

Another thing worth remembering: After "going all in" in 2011, when our cupboard was supposedly bare and our system was viewed as being quite poor, we still had some very nice players come up through the system and make decent contributions in MIL (Jimmy Nelson is one, off the top of my head). We had no big-time or *blue chip* prospects, but we had several capable future major leaguers. Point: Even though the Brewers' system isn't viewed very highly doesn't mean it's devoid of future solid MLB players.


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Offline jerichoholicninja Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 03, 2021, 3:23 PM Post
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Small missed 2017 because of TJ. He's barely thrown 200 total innings in 3 seasons since. Between the time elapsed and so few innings thrown, he's probably now just getting back to "normal".
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Offline Jopal78! Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 04, 2021, 10:20 AM Post
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jerichoholicninja said:
Small missed 2017 because of TJ. He's barely thrown 200 total innings in 3 seasons since. Between the time elapsed and so few innings thrown, he's probably now just getting back to "normal".


Candelario is pre-arbitration eligible, is coming off a season where his OPS was .872, he's a switch hitter and plays multiple defensive positions. Even considering Candelario's 2020 BABiP is not sustainable, the Tigers are a rebuilding team in a very strong division why would they be motivated to move Candelario now?

Further complicating matters, why would the Tigers move Candelario for a collection of junk from the Brewers?

Lutz= hasn't played above A ball, and there are questions about his game.
Zack Brown= was Rule 5 eligible, and any team could've selected him and didn't.

Ethan Small? Who knows what they have there? Definitely a project. With fringe major league velocity, will he be able to maintain his collegiate and low minor league success as he pitches against better and better players.
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Offline wntrtxn21 Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 04, 2021, 12:11 PM Post
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Jopal78! said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Small missed 2017 because of TJ. He's barely thrown 200 total innings in 3 seasons since. Between the time elapsed and so few innings thrown, he's probably now just getting back to "normal".


Candelario is pre-arbitration eligible, is coming off a season where his OPS was .872, he's a switch hitter and plays multiple defensive positions. Even considering Candelario's 2020 BABiP is not sustainable, the Tigers are a rebuilding team in a very strong division why would they be motivated to move Candelario now?

Further complicating matters, why would the Tigers move Candelario for a collection of junk from the Brewers?

Lutz= hasn't played above A ball, and there are questions about his game.
Zack Brown= was Rule 5 eligible, and any team could've selected him and didn't.

Ethan Small? Who knows what they have there? Definitely a project. With fringe major league velocity, will he be able to maintain his collegiate and low minor league success as he pitches against better and better players.


Candelario had a good abbreviated 2020 season, but the two full seasons before that he hit .219/.312 .698 OPS. He's projected to hit .235/.320. He's not worth much more than those you mentioned.
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Offline Jopal78! Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 04, 2021, 12:45 PM Post
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wntrtxn21 said:
Jopal78! said:
jerichoholicninja said:
Small missed 2017 because of TJ. He's barely thrown 200 total innings in 3 seasons since. Between the time elapsed and so few innings thrown, he's probably now just getting back to "normal".


Candelario is pre-arbitration eligible, is coming off a season where his OPS was .872, he's a switch hitter and plays multiple defensive positions. Even considering Candelario's 2020 BABiP is not sustainable, the Tigers are a rebuilding team in a very strong division why would they be motivated to move Candelario now?

Further complicating matters, why would the Tigers move Candelario for a collection of junk from the Brewers?

Lutz= hasn't played above A ball, and there are questions about his game.
Zack Brown= was Rule 5 eligible, and any team could've selected him and didn't.

Ethan Small? Who knows what they have there? Definitely a project. With fringe major league velocity, will he be able to maintain his collegiate and low minor league success as he pitches against better and better players.


Candelario had a good abbreviated 2020 season, but the two full seasons before that he hit .219/.312 .698 OPS. He's projected to hit .235/.320. He's not worth much more than those you mentioned.


Then why trade for him in the first place, then?
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Offline BestInTheWorld Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 04, 2021, 12:52 PM Post
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Candelario had a good abbreviated 2020 season, but the two full seasons before that he hit .219/.312 .698 OPS. He's projected to hit .235/.320. He's not worth much more than those you mentioned.


Then why trade for him in the first place, then?


Because Vogelbach can't/shouldn't be our 1B in 2021, if we want to compete.

Although, I would put Candelario at 3B.


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Offline MrAllen Re: Jeimer Candelario
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Posted: January 04, 2021, 1:10 PM Post
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BestInTheWorld said:
Candelario had a good abbreviated 2020 season, but the two full seasons before that he hit .219/.312 .698 OPS. He's projected to hit .235/.320. He's not worth much more than those you mentioned.


Then why trade for him in the first place, then?


Because Vogelbach can't/shouldn't be our 1B in 2021, if we want to compete.

They might actually make a nice platoon pair if you can get him on the cheap...

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