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Posted: July 28, 2021, 8:20 AM Post
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I love how athletic our infield is. I like that it is controlled as well. They have spunk. They’re young and I don’t want to move that. Even Rowdy looks more athletic than his body type. He’s 26 and isn’t a FA until 2025. Wong is the only one that after next season, he will be gone. At that point I’d think Urias would slide there and we’d be on the search for a 3B.


I'm more than happy with Urias at least being the strong side of a platoon at 3B. He's a terrific defender at 3B, and as he matures, I expect the hit tool to improve, likely in to .280-290 range. It's the power that has surprised me. He is a legit 25 HR stick right now as a 24-year-old who is still coming into his own physically. There is no reason he can't eventually be a 30 or even 35 HR guy as his gets into his athletic prime. You have a 3B who plays good defense, hits .290 with 35 HRs, that guy is likely getting MVP votes.


It's he really a terrific defender? He makes a lot of errors there. Not Braun level but in the neighborhood. Not saying I want him gone, but I think he's probably average at best.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 8:24 AM Post
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I love how athletic our infield is. I like that it is controlled as well. They have spunk. They’re young and I don’t want to move that. Even Rowdy looks more athletic than his body type. He’s 26 and isn’t a FA until 2025. Wong is the only one that after next season, he will be gone. At that point I’d think Urias would slide there and we’d be on the search for a 3B.


I'm more than happy with Urias at least being the strong side of a platoon at 3B. He's a terrific defender at 3B, and as he matures, I expect the hit tool to improve, likely in to .280-290 range. It's the power that has surprised me. He is a legit 25 HR stick right now as a 24-year-old who is still coming into his own physically. There is no reason he can't eventually be a 30 or even 35 HR guy as his gets into his athletic prime. You have a 3B who plays good defense, hits .290 with 35 HRs, that guy is likely getting MVP votes.


It's he really a terrific defender? He makes a lot of errors there. Not Braun level but in the neighborhood. Not saying I want him gone, but I think he's probably average at best.


He's been MUCH better at 3B than he was at SS. Over throws are the main issue with him right now. Otherwise he has terrific range and instincts. Definitely has the arm to play there. I expect that the throwing issues will improve as he gets more comfortable.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 8:32 AM Post
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Bryant makes sense because you can move him all over. Gallo too. Those guys I’d be fine with because you’re not simply taking one position away from a guy we already have playing well.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 8:59 AM Post
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He's been MUCH better at 3B than he was at SS. Over throws are the main issue with him right now. Otherwise he has terrific range and instincts. Definitely has the arm to play there. I expect that the throwing issues will improve as he gets more comfortable.


I agree on the range but the guy just makes too many errors. The errors haven't actually gotten better, he's just hitting more now so it's easier to move past them.

Even with the errors he's still average as is, definitely potential to be a good defender.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 9:01 AM Post
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He’s graded out as pretty average as a 3B thus far, so there’s legitimate optimism that he could be really good there with more consistent reps.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 9:06 AM Post
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Bryant makes sense because you can move him all over. Gallo too. Those guys I’d be fine with because you’re not simply taking one position away from a guy we already have playing well.

I'll throw Mancini into this mix as well. All three of those guys have experience at 1B, LF, and RF. Gallo and Bryant have played CF. And of course Bryant also can play 3B.

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Posted: July 28, 2021, 9:20 AM Post
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I could see a trade with the Twins where Urias, JBJ and a prospect in return for Donaldson and cash or international cash.


Boy would I dislike this. I would hate this move a lot.


Me too. Not trading a 24-year-old future stud infielder (who has already proven to be an asset at the MLB level) for a broken down 3B. I don't care how recognizable his name is.


Well, that's really the rose colored glasses isn't it? Urias isn't going to play shortstop for the Brewers on a everyday basis with Adames here. Wong is going to be playing 2nd base everyday through at least 2022 if not 2023 (club option). Urias and his .750 OPS as a third basemen is passable but not much more than that. Certainly a legitimate argument exists the Brewers don't "need" Urias given their current roster construction if they could acquire a better hitter at third base.

There is a tendency on these boards to denigrate players on other teams compared to players on Milwaukee, but I wouldn't call Donaldson "broken down." He's on pace for 540 at bats this year. Since 2019 he's played in 265 of a possible 324 games (81%). More importantly though, he's more than "a name"; he's still a terrific player. 2.1 WAR this year already, a slash line of .250/.357/.482. That OPB would be 4th on the Brewers and the SLG would be 2nd.

I don't think he gets traded, especially not to Milwaukee, because of the amount of cash he is owed (approx. 8 million of the 21 for this year, then 50 million for 2022 and 2023 incl. buyout of club option) but Urias and JBJ for Donaldson and cash is about as fair as you can make it and certainly would improve the Brewers in the short and long run.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 9:36 AM Post
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Well, that's really the rose colored glasses isn't it? Urias isn't going to play shortstop for the Brewers on a everyday basis with Adames here. Wong is going to be playing 2nd base everyday through at least 2022 if not 2023 (club option). Urias and his .750 OPS as a third basemen is passable but not much more than that. Certainly a legitimate argument exists the Brewers don't "need" Urias given their current roster construction if they could acquire a better hitter at third base.

There is a tendency on these boards to denigrate players on other teams compared to players on Milwaukee, but I wouldn't call Donaldson "broken down." He's on pace for 540 at bats this year. Since 2019 he's played in 265 of a possible 324 games (81%). More importantly though, he's more than "a name"; he's still a terrific player. 2.1 WAR this year already, a slash line of .250/.357/.482. That OPB would be 4th on the Brewers and the SLG would be 2nd.

I don't think he gets traded, especially not to Milwaukee, because of the amount of cash he is owed (approx. 8 million of the 21 for this year, then 50 million for 2022 and 2023 incl. buyout of club option) but Urias and JBJ for Donaldson and cash is about as fair as you can make it and certainly would improve the Brewers in the short and long run.


My main argument is that Urias is 24 years old, and has already improved substantially from what he showed with the bat last year. If you believe his is going to all of a sudden plateau as a .750 OPS bat, more power to you. But given the improvement he's shown in his short time as a Brewer, I don't see that. Will be be a superstar? Maybe not. But a kid putting up a .750 OPS for a contending team after just turning 24, while playing competent defense at a relatively unfamiliar position, is a good thing. There is zero reason in my mind that he cannot continue to improve, too.

In the end, I'm not going to upset that apple cart for a 35-year-old 3B that might supply a marginal improvement for a couple months this year. I do not believe that Donaldson is going to provide more production and value than Urias in 2022 and beyond, either.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 9:41 AM Post
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Well, that's really the rose colored glasses isn't it? Urias isn't going to play shortstop for the Brewers on a everyday basis with Adames here. Wong is going to be playing 2nd base everyday through at least 2022 if not 2023 (club option). Urias and his .750 OPS as a third basemen is passable but not much more than that. Certainly a legitimate argument exists the Brewers don't "need" Urias given their current roster construction if they could acquire a better hitter at third base.

There is a tendency on these boards to denigrate players on other teams compared to players on Milwaukee, but I wouldn't call Donaldson "broken down." He's on pace for 540 at bats this year. Since 2019 he's played in 265 of a possible 324 games (81%). More importantly though, he's more than "a name"; he's still a terrific player. 2.1 WAR this year already, a slash line of .250/.357/.482. That OPB would be 4th on the Brewers and the SLG would be 2nd.

I don't think he gets traded, especially not to Milwaukee, because of the amount of cash he is owed (approx. 8 million of the 21 for this year, then 50 million for 2022 and 2023 incl. buyout of club option) but Urias and JBJ for Donaldson and cash is about as fair as you can make it and certainly would improve the Brewers in the short and long run.


My main argument is that Urias is 24 years old, and has already improved substantially from what he showed with the bat last year. If you believe his is going to all of a sudden plateau as a .750 OPS bat, more power to you. But given the improvement he's shown in his short time as a Brewer, I don't see that. Will be be a superstar? Maybe not. But a kid putting up a .750 OPS for a contending team after just turning 24, while playing competent defense at a relatively unfamiliar position, is a good thing. There is zero reason in my mind that he cannot continue to improve, too.

In the end, I'm not going to upset that apple cart for a 35-year-old 3B that might supply a marginal improvement for a couple months this year. I do not believe that Donaldson is going to provide more production and value than Urias in 2022 and beyond, either.


+1 as the posters here commonly like to do.


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I haven't seen anyone else post this, but the Sounds are and have been at home, and Ashby last night was on a plane. So either he's getting called back up today orrrrrrrr......

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Reds acquire Mychal Givens. Bullpen getting better between him and the pair of Yankees guys.


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Reds acquire Mychal Givens. Bullpen getting better between him and the pair of Yankees guys.


Well Cessa at least. Wilson is terrible.


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Reds acquire Mychal Givens. Bullpen getting better between him and the pair of Yankees guys.


Well Cessa at least. Wilson is terrible.


Wilson has shown the ability to be solid. Really been bad this year. Johnson might be able to turn him around similar to Sonny. Still plenty of pen guys left for us.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 10:00 AM Post
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For those of you asking me, who I would trade for bats?? First of all I definitely pursue, Bryant, Mancini, Story and Donaldson. I had mentioned that I didn't think it would cost nearly as much as some people thought. Though I can't give you specific names(though I will say NO minor leaguer is off the table for the right guy(s)) Here is a basis of which to go by. I don't think given this that anyone can say that any bat would be too expensive.


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Continue to hear it’s a real buyers market for position players. Lots of stars on market: Bryant, Story, Baez, Rizzo, Turner, Buxton, Marte, Escobar, Gallo, Peralta etc. Hearing of many offers of “B” level prospects for established “A” names. Contenders are focused on pitching.


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 10:01 AM Post
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At the deadline the Brewers have traded for both Schoop and Moustakas. The Brewers were also in on Machado but were not willing to give up Burnes to get him.

Schoop was at or above an .800 OPS when they traded for him. Moustakas worked out but as we know Schoop didn't.

I could see a trade with the Twins where Urias, JBJ and a prospect in return for Donaldson and cash or international cash.


Jesus. No. A million times no.


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Freeman for Turang...get it done


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Freeman for Turang...get it done


It’s really a shame the Braves aren’t further back in the East as I believe they’ll still go for it and won’t sell. Freeman would be a dream scenario for us.


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This is how I choose to remember Schoop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOZYQb8klZQ


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Posted: July 28, 2021, 11:19 AM Post
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Freeman for Turang...get it done


It’s really a shame the Braves aren’t further back in the East as I believe they’ll still go for it and won’t sell. Freeman would be a dream scenario for us.


What a crazy Division, look no further than the run differential

Mets +4
Braves +45
Phillies -24
Nationals -25
Marlins +5

The Phillies and Mets are already buying, the Braves are sort of buying. The Nationals are standing pat for now, and the Marlins have already started selling.


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why does everyone want Gallo. we already have a team that can't hit for avg. Power is very nice, but we need guys that can put the ball in play.


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