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Posted: August 20, 2021, 6:43 AM Post
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The upcoming free agent class looks pretty solid. Below are some of the players available.

Corner Infielders

Freddie Freeman, 1B, Age: 31

Kris Bryant, 3B/OF, Age: 29

Anthony Rizzo, 1B, Age: 32

Eduardo Escobar, 3B, Age: 32

Brandon Belt, 1B, Age: 33

C.J. Cron, 1B, Age: 32

Middle Infielders

Corey Seager, SS, Age: 27

Carlos Correa, SS, Age: 26

Trevor Story, SS, Age: 28

Marcus Semien, 2B, Age: 30

Javier Báez, INF, Age: 28

Outfielders

Starling Marte, CF, Age: 32

Nick Castellanos (opt out), RF, Age: 29

Michael Conforto, RF, Age: 28

Chris Taylor, OF, Age: 30

Mark Canha, OF/1B, Age: 33

Tommy Pham, LF, Age: 33

Avisail Garcia (mutual option), RF, Age: 31

Designated Hitters

J.D. Martinez (opt out), DH, Age: 33

Nelson Cruz, DH, Age: 41

Jorge Soler, DH/RF, Age: 29

Kyle Schwarber, DH/LF (mutual option), Age: 28

C.J. Cron, 1B/DH, Age: 31

Catchers

Yan Gomes, C, Age: 34

Manny Piña, C, Age: 35

Starting Pitchers

Max Scherzer, RHP, Age: 37

Clayton Kershaw, LHP, Age: 33

Kevin Gausman, RHP, Age: 30

Carlos Rodón, LHP, Age: 28

Zack Greinke, RHP, Age: 37

Marcus Stroman, RHP, Age: 30

Justin Verlander, RHP, Age: 38

Charlie Morton, RHP, Age: 37

Adam Wainwright, RHP, Age: 39

Robbie Ray, LHP, Age: 29

Noah Syndergaard, RHP, Age: 28

Anthony DeSclafani, RHP, Age: 31

Eduardo Rodriguez, LHP, Age: 28

Michael Pineda, RHP, Age: 32

Zach Davies, RHP, Age: 28

Relief Pitchers

Raisel Iglesias, RHP, Age: 31

Kenley Jansen, RHP, Age: 33

Kendall Graveman, RHP, Age: 30

Ian Kennedy, RHP, Age: 36

Brad Hand, LHP, Age: 31


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 9:16 AM Post
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Just an absolutely stacked FA class. The CBA expiring adds a not insignificant wrinkle too.

Really curious to see what happens with Verlander. 2022 will be his age 39 season but with a brand new UCL who knows how long he might be able to go.

Greinke too. Guessing at his age, with diminishing stuff & results his best offer might be something like 2/25, at which point he could decide its just not worth it anymore.

Even though the Brewers are seemingly set at 2B/SS/3B for 2022 & beyond, I could see them maybe getting in on Semien if the glut of SS & him being a lil older pushes the price down. His 5.0 WAR is currently second this year, and he has thee most WAR in MLB since 2019 on account of a the 2nd most PAs, a 129 wRC+, +7.1 on the bases, +26.0 on defense and Mike Trout only playing 223 games.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 10:27 AM Post
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First, look at what Milwaukee has coming back:

C- Narvaez, Pina
1B- Tellez
2B- Wong
3B- Urias
SS- Adames
OF- Yelich, Cain, Taylor, Bradley
SP- Woodruff, Peralta, Burnes, Ashby, Houser, Lauer, Bettinger
RP- Williams, Sanchez, Hader, Boxberger with left over SP's, Gustave, File, Strickland, Suter and Topa as possibilities.

The Brewer's could actually trade SP depth.
It would be nice to dump Cain or Bradley's salary but that will be tough.
I don't see Garcia coming back.
Dump a catcher and add Feliciano?
Hopefully Escobar continues to preform well and loves Milwaukee.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 10:35 AM Post
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Don't expect anyone good. We either can't afford them or they don't want to come here. Anyone we show interest in and don't get was just using us to drive up the price for the big market. Attanasio is a big cheapskate and sits on a pile of cash.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 12:40 PM Post
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Pina is a free agent and with the miles on him, I don't think he'll be back.

Boxberger and Stickland are also free agents and will likely find bigger bucks elsewhere.

Vogelbach, Hiura, Cousins, and Lindblom are back next year.

I don't see any big free agents unless they can dump some salary elsewhere.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 4:22 PM Post
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I would bet on Pina returning for a similar $1.5-2M contract. He is a great complement to Narvaez, and he has years of experience with the pitching staff. He had a late start to his career and has less wear especially now as the backup, so his age isn't a huge concern to me. I think he should have 2 or 3 good seasons as the backup yet in him.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Post
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I would bet on Pina returning for a similar $1.5-2M contract. He is a great complement to Narvaez, and he has years of experience with the pitching staff. He had a late start to his career and has less wear especially now as the backup, so his age isn't a huge concern to me. I think he should have 2 or 3 good seasons as the backup yet in him.


If Feliciano wouldn't have been hurt this year I would say no chance of Pina coming back. Since Feliciano has been hurt this year I think it takes him another year and the Brewers bring Pina back. Though I think Pina could get a multi-year offer from someone to be a backup that would be about the same amount or more.


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Posted: August 20, 2021, 8:40 PM Post
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Jace is also arbitration eligible so likely to be back.


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Posted: August 21, 2021, 8:04 AM Post
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Pina is a free agent and with the miles on him, I don't think he'll be back.

Boxberger and Stickland are also free agents and will likely find bigger bucks elsewhere.

Vogelbach, Hiura, Cousins, and Lindblom are back next year.

I don't see any big free agents unless they can dump some salary elsewhere.


Where’s Hiura going to play? I think it’s quite presumptuous to assume the worst hitter in the NL this year is back on the big league roster. He will have to earn his way back to the majors.


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Posted: August 21, 2021, 8:33 AM Post
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Where’s Hiura going to play? I think it’s quite presumptuous to assume the worst hitter in the NL this year is back on the big league roster. He will have to earn his way back to the majors.


Hiura will have to earn his way back for sure, but for whatever it is or isn't worth he's only been among the worst hitters in the NL this year (minimum 150 PAs) & not even the worst hitter on his own team...

Sandy Leon 42 wRC+ | JBJ 47 wRC+ | Josh Fuentes 50 wRC+ | Erik Gonzalez 51 wRC+ | Kevin Newman 52 wRC+ | Shogo Akiyama 53 wRC+ | Mangueris Sierra 54 wRC+ | Michael Perez 54 wRC+ | Keston Hiura 54 wRC+

If we expand it out to include the AL there are another nine players with a wRC+ of 54 of below, one of whom is Jarred Kelenic with a 147/244/272 (50 wRC+) line.


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Posted: August 22, 2021, 11:58 AM Post
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We may have an option on Garcia for 2022.

We have a 2022 Club Option with a $2M buyout. However, that becomes a mutual option with 1,050 plate appearances across 2020-2021, or 550 plate appearances in 2021.

Avi has averaged 3.4 PA this year - which will put him right around 550 PA for the year.

However, last season he had 207 PAs - which translates to 3.45 PA per game (over 60 games). That translates into 560 or so PAs for 2020. I'm assuming that's how they'll figure out things for 2020. And if correct, his option becomes a mutual one.

Questions become 1) do the Brewers take on Avi's $12M option? I'd say that's pretty easy - yes - they do. And if they do, does Avi opt in and take the year - or opt out and become a FA? I'd say he opts out as he could get a 2-3 year deal at a similar price ($10-12M). But that's just a guess. I'd love to hear other opinions.

The final question is if Avi comes to the Brewers and says he wants a longer extension - what do we offer (if anything) for years and price. Just wondering what people thought.


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Posted: August 22, 2021, 3:11 PM Post
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I would be shocked if Avi is back next year unless they do an extension which I doubt they do.


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Posted: August 23, 2021, 11:15 AM Post
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I would be shocked if Avi is back next year unless they do an extension which I doubt they do.

What do you think he gets in free agency (assuming he can keep up his production)?


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Posted: August 23, 2021, 1:32 PM Post
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Personally, I think it makes way too much sense not to bring Escobar back - assuming that you could get him on a 2-3 year deal. Love the fact that he's a switch-hitter, and even more that he provides positional flexibility. We could play him some at 3B, some at 1B (especially since the Hiura/Tellez situation is still a bit unknown), and even some in the OF as needed. I would try to lock EE up on a deal and let Avi walk. As good as Avi has been this year, I would think that a full year out of EE would help make up for some of what we'd be losing there - and we have OF pretty much covered with Yeli, Cain, JBJ and TT all coming back.


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Posted: August 23, 2021, 1:43 PM Post
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wallus said:
I would be shocked if Avi is back next year unless they do an extension which I doubt they do.

What do you think he gets in free agency (assuming he can keep up his production)?


I think Avi can get something in the 3-4 year range and a total of about $50-60m.

AAV should be something around $15-17m.


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Posted: August 23, 2021, 2:15 PM Post
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nate82 said:
reillymcshane said:
wallus said:
I would be shocked if Avi is back next year unless they do an extension which I doubt they do.

What do you think he gets in free agency (assuming he can keep up his production)?


I think Avi can get something in the 3-4 year range and a total of about $50-60m.

AAV should be something around $15-17m.


Are we thinking that Escobar will demand a similar type of deal this winter? They're having similar seasons this year, but Avi is also a couple of years younger. Would it be possible to get EE on a 2-year deal? Maybe 2 years, 30M?


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Posted: August 25, 2021, 12:01 PM Post
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It seems like we might not have a lot of payroll space given a number of impending arbitration raises. But if payroll were bumped (post World Series win? [wink] ) it seems like we could devote almost all of it to making a competitive offer for Kris Bryant to play 3B.


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Posted: August 25, 2021, 3:12 PM Post
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reillymcshane said:
wallus said:
I would be shocked if Avi is back next year unless they do an extension which I doubt they do.

What do you think he gets in free agency (assuming he can keep up his production)?


I am assuming he will get something like 4 years and 56 million. Avi has been great this year but I would pass on paying him that. I would prefer to put in a big offer for K. Bryant instead with the idea of him being a Zobrist like defender.


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Posted: August 25, 2021, 7:38 PM Post
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I doubt we are in the K Bryant sweepstakes. He is getting a big payday.


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Posted: August 30, 2021, 9:27 AM Post
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I would package the three arby years of Lauer with Cain and his $18M for 2022 to clear his contract. Figure Cain could get a one year $8M contract on the free market. So are three arby years of Lauer worth more or less than $10M?

I figure Ashby will get the fifth spot. With Small being the guy to be getting ready in AAA. Lindblom as longman.

That gives me money to roll the dice on giving Garcia a QO. If he takes it, we can afford it. If he doesn't, we get the pick. If Garcia goes somewhere else, we actually need to find an OF.

Depending on how Garcia situation plays out, will kind of dictate if we try to retain Escobar. I would prefer to slightly overpay one year, versus doing a two year contract.

If the scenario is all the OF come back, I would try to move Yelich to 1B (to at least be ready even if Tellez is doing okay) and we wouldn't have the money to retain Escobar, so Urias gets 3B.

Back in 2015 the DBacks traded their 1st round pick Toussant to get rid of the $9.5M Arroyo contract. That is the last time I have heard of a trade to dump a contract like I'm proposing. So probably isn't the way to go if I am replicating strategy from Dave Stewart. [laughing]


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