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Posted: September 05, 2021, 4:32 AM Post
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Could the Brewers get an Adames-type return by trading one or both of their young, effective (but non-top 3) starters to a pitching-starved team such as the Twins? Could a star position player like Alex Kirilloff be attained?

With Ashby and Small in the wings, perhaps the Brewers could take advantage of their pitching surplus to continue to add young stars to the roster.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 5:24 AM Post
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Neither guy has much of a track record, so no, you aren’t getting anything close to an Alex K.

They have value for sure, but I think we would be better off keeping both another year. If one or both of them have another great year their value will be exponentially more than it is now. Ashby/Small can get their fair share of opportunities via injury next year and be well seasoned for 2023.

I do think you have the right idea, not only to get some younger talent, but also to keep the payroll down. Both of those guys enter arbitration next year. First year money isn’t usually bad, but after that it can get a bit pricey. It seems logical to trade from an area of strength that you have guys waiting in the wings at.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 6:37 AM Post
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I would say wait a year for a couple reasons
1. As noted above the track record for a bigger return just isn't there
2. Also noted above the price increase isnt huge year 1 of arby. How much of a difference is it from what we will inevitably pay a veteran like Anderson to give us depth?
3. Ashby will likely have an innings limit next year so he is probably better as a 6th starter
4. If we wait a year they will still have value - maybe more if they take a next step - and we will see what steps small makes and we will see what we have with younger offensive guys like tellez, urias, Taylor, Mitchell, etc. We will have a clearer picture what we need to trade for.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 6:43 AM Post
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I can certainly see the possibility of dealing a starting pitcher at some point. I am going to guess though that they wait until midseason next year. Starting pitching tends to go up in price then and bats seemingly decline in demand. Also just having the depth and being prepared for part of the season and not having to patch the rotation with a guy is a pretty big strength.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 10:07 AM Post
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I see where you're going with this, but no way do you deal those guys unless you're blown away by an offer. How soon we forget how many decades we struggled to find a quality, controllable SP or two.

1) They are cheap, even in their arby years.
2) Ashby or anyone else are far from sure things.
3) Woodruff is getting a little older, plus he may move on. So could Burnes.
4) There's always the injury bug. Lose 1 or 2 SP and you have AAAA guys to take their place.
5) Both have flashed their ceilings. If they continue to develop, even a bigger bargain.

Just no way I deal our #4,5 rotation guys under those circumstances. Actually, if anything, I would consider selling high on Woodruff if the return was huge- which it should be.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 2:42 PM Post
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I don't think you can overvalue pitching depth. Per FVBrewerFan's #4 above, I'd far prefer Houser & Lauer in the rotation as opposed to Lindblom, etc.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 4:52 PM Post
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Well the hope is that we're not filling those spots with Lindblom, etc. The hope is that we're filling them with Ashby, Small, other trade acquisitions like Lauer etc.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 5:46 PM Post
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I agree not moving these 2 guys they will be very valuable for 2022. have to love the potential for this future rotation.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 7:04 PM Post
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I think these guys are more valuable than what they gave up for adames. I don’t see the reason to trade either given their recent history and salary for 2022.


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 8:34 PM Post
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patrickgpe said:
I think these guys are more valuable than what they gave up for adames. I don’t see the reason to trade either given their recent history and salary for 2022.

The question is if there’s another Adames that could be gotten for Houser and Lauer, do you make the trade? (And then who are the potential Adameses?)


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Posted: September 05, 2021, 9:18 PM Post
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NYChez said:
patrickgpe said:
I think these guys are more valuable than what they gave up for adames. I don’t see the reason to trade either given their recent history and salary for 2022.

The question is if there’s another Adames that could be gotten for Houser and Lauer, do you make the trade? (And then who are the potential Adameses?)


It’s important to remember what Adames value was at the time of the trade and also his perceived potential/future production. It certainly wasn’t anywhere near a .900 OPS…and maybe in the long run it isn’t that.

99/100 times you aren’t going to make such a trade and have a guy with a .900 OPS playing SS.

I’d trade Houser or Lauer for another Adames every day of the week…but for the value that was perceived at the time of that trade…? Not so obvious


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 7:35 AM Post
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Houser could potentially be a free agent after the 2022 season depending on what happens with the new agreement with the union so wouldn't be surprised if he was traded. Can't pay everybody and salaries for this team will be going up fast, think he would be appealing to a number of teams after the season he has had.


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 9:50 AM Post
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I'd trade Lauer or Houser for a good, young, cost-controlled 3B. If he doesn't work out, you still have Urias.

Or you move Yelich to 1B (and Garcia is gone) and want to get a young, cost-controlled corner OF.

Can't really see another reason to trade off Houser or Lauer before next year,


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 10:36 AM Post
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If they believe that Ashby can step in as our #4 or #5 next season, full time, then I can see them moving one of the two.

That would be a hit to our depth though, and you can bet that one or 2 of the starting rotation will be hurt at some point next year.

I'd keep them both, unless of course we get an offer that can't be ignored.

Let Anderson go...

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Posted: September 07, 2021, 10:58 AM Post
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I think Houser is the one who gets traded but to who I am not sure. The teams that instantly come to mind that need pitching help are the Angels, Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays and Padres.

I would love to get Groshans from the Blue Jays but the Brewers would have to add in a prospect or two to even out that deal. Groshans would be that young 3B that you could put at 3B in 2023.


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 2:01 PM Post
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Met's were rumored to be asking for Houser or Lauer at the trade deadline this year. They'll probably have some turnover in the front office this offseason but could be a match there too given their pitching needs.


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 2:58 PM Post
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Outlander said:
Houser could potentially be a free agent after the 2022 season depending on what happens with the new agreement with the union so wouldn't be surprised if he was traded. Can't pay everybody and salaries for this team will be going up fast, think he would be appealing to a number of teams after the season he has had.


Why could this happen to Houser and not to Burnes, Woodruff, or Lauer? Just curious what is different about Houser's status as I think he will be in arby this year for the first time.


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 3:20 PM Post
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OldHeidelberg said:
Outlander said:
Houser could potentially be a free agent after the 2022 season depending on what happens with the new agreement with the union so wouldn't be surprised if he was traded. Can't pay everybody and salaries for this team will be going up fast, think he would be appealing to a number of teams after the season he has had.


Why could this happen to Houser and not to Burnes, Woodruff, or Lauer? Just curious what is different about Houser's status as I think he will be in arby this year for the first time.


MLB made a proposal to MLBPA where free agency would be determined by age, not service time. Though apparently the MLBPA "responded very negatively" so it is probably a longshot for this CBA...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/ ... cture.html

If something like that were to go into effect Houser (2/2/93) and Woodruff (2/10/93) were born like a week apart so they would presumably be equally impacted, where guys like Burnes and Lauer are a couple of years younger.


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 7:58 PM Post
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Trade Woodruff for a mega deal and keep Lauer and Hauser [devil]


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Posted: September 07, 2021, 8:01 PM Post
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Trade none and just pound teams series after series with a 6-man rotation.

Woody
Peralta
Lauer
Burnes
Houser
Ashby

When Small is ready, you think about trading OR stick Houser in the pen and have at it. Keep the arms and continue to keep winning a lot of baseball games.


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