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What's bugging you? (2017)

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Posted: May 15, 2017, 5:18 PM Post
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You didn't know if you said "all"? It's a message board, just have to scroll a little to see what you said. The context in which you said it and the fact you didn't put it in blue made it sound like you actually meant it. I apologize if I misunderstood. I'm well aware that golf popularity is declining and that there are course closings, but there have been a lot of new golf courses opened over the last 20 years as golf popularity spiked so it would make sense that golf courses would close when the popularity decreases.

As far as others "subjected" to my preferences it really is not a two way street. I'm not doing anything that would annoy others, I'm just golfing on a golf course. I'm not adding some other activity to my golfing that would possibly annoy other golfers. Some people have no problem concentrating when they are reading or studying, so does that mean we should allow people to play music out loud in libraries? How about on airplanes?

I don't know...maybe I should just change my profile picture to Judge Smails...."The man's a menace!!"


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Posted: May 15, 2017, 7:08 PM Post
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I go golfing largely for the quietness. It's the one place I go and my head is completely cleared of anything other than golf and its amazing. I don't want to hear music or any other sound that is not natural to a golf course while I'm golfing because it defeats the purpose of being there in the first place.


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Posted: May 15, 2017, 9:45 PM Post
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I get hyper focused when hitting shots...and music is a distraction or maybe a built in excuse depending on the day. I'm a paying customer. I shouldn't have to listen that music.

If it were a Brewer game and the people in front of me were playing music, I think I'd have a right to complain. If it were a public place, I would just go somewhere else.

Although I'm a millennial, I'm also old school where I like to carry my clubs and be outside walking. It bugs me that the group playing music is usually my age but has to be in a cart. They also tend to park their carts nowhere near the next hole and drive them 5 yards away from the green. All I want is a little etiquette.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 6:44 AM Post
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Although I'm a millennial, I'm also old school where I like to carry my clubs and be outside walking. It bugs me that the group playing music is usually my age but has to be in a cart. They also tend to park their carts nowhere near the next hole and drive them 5 yards away from the green. All I want is a little etiquette.


Yeah, there has been a large increase in the use of carts over the last decade or two. While it has no real direct affect on me, it annoys me a little from a societal viewpoint. It's not just the exercise, but the financial aspect of it. Depending on where you are golfing you can save between $10-$20 if you walk and in so many ways, as pointed out in posts above, it can be much more enjoyable to walk.

And yes, the cart etiquette exercised by some is not good. Not only parking carts in front of greens and not closer to the next tee, but just so many other time wasters. For example, two golfers riding in the same cart hit their ball 50-60 yards apart from each other. They go to one ball, wait for the group ahead of them to clear and then hit that ball, then they go to the other ball and hit that one. How about dropping one golfer off at his/her ball and then going to the other ball? Golf carts definitely do not save time over walking when used inefficiently.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 7:16 AM Post
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Like I said, I generally agree that I prefer it without. I've also never seen anyone going over the line with it imo. You guys have to realize ya'll making a bit of the old man 'get off my lawn type' or 'back in my day' type of argument here right? If you're going to the cheaper public courses this is going to be way it is as they're trying to appeal to a wider demo because most courses are really struggling financially, if you're that serious about your golf and concentration you'll have to go up a level or two of classiness where it's not allowed. And this is a what's bugging you, so it's your right to be bugged by whatever you want. I was just trying to put some context into why it is what it is.

I could even make a bugging me about the old school taking it way too serious golfers bugging me. Walking, taking forever to choose clubs or line up putts etc and then giving attitude if/when you ask to play through like I'm some kind of jerk (and no I don't play music or overdrink there). But I have the libertarian attitude of to each their own do whatever you want, so I don't really care about that just like I don't care if someone else is getting buzzed up and playing music. As long as they're not being dangerous to me in anyway like hitting balls into you or something.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 10:44 AM Post
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Seems like we could start a whole separate thread on golf etiquette and protocol. I'm not sure that comparing this to the "Get off my lawn, back in my day" type of old man griping is really a fair comparison. This isn't something that has been around for a long time and is just starting to annoy me as I get older. This would have annoyed me when I was younger as well. I grew up just down the road from Greenfield park and that's where I learned to play golf starting around 7th grade. Played 90% of my rounds there until I was a bit older and had a car and more mobility. However, still mostly played county courses my entire life and never noticed this as a thing until about 4 or 5 years ago (and honestly I have only witnessed it 3 or 4 times, but that's 3 or 4 times too many).

I get the whole live and let live thing, but I also believe in having some common courtesy towards other people while you go about your living. A reasonable person should be able to understand and not be oblivious to the fact that other paying customers on a golf course may not want to listen to their music. I think that's just common sense. Yes, some people take way too long to line up a put or take a shot. That can be annoying as well, especially when the course is crowded, but at least it's golf related activity. Playing music is not a golf related activity and is intrusive to other golfers enjoyment. It's really not something that anyone should expect to hear on a golf course.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 11:33 AM Post
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I grew up playing high level tennis, the same quiet rules apply. For focus, for etiquette, etc. Talking, music, fireworks don't bother me on the golf course. I'm a duffer, and play for enjoyment, but what gives me a laugh is the delineation in sports of what requires quiet, and what can be boisterous. 30,000 people can scream while I'm trying to hit a 100 mph fastball with movement, thousands can scream and wave arms and signs while I try to shoot a free throw. Yet whispering is not permitted while I try to hit a stationary ball with a stick designed for my success. Same goes for tennis. I realize everyone is different, yada yada yada...but what's with the quiet? I think it's because tennis and golf somewhat originated in English "society", which is hyper polite and composed. No scientific study behind that.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 12:23 PM Post
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I know the common golf etiquette and I agree it's outside of it and all. It's just that times have changed, young people are used to having technology everywhere and listening to music everywhere off their phones and with earphones. They're going to be outside for 4 hours relaxing and want some music on, I don't think it's that absurd of a thing. It's just that it's customary not to do it at golf courses just out of tradition really. Years from now it'll just be more and more common unless you're at a snooty country club place.

Couldn't a reasonable person also understand and not be oblivious that other people like to listen to music while they play. Keeping in mind that 95% of people there are not what would be considered serious competitive golfers, they're just there to have a good time.

Again, I didn't mean to say you're wrong or anything. You can be bugged by whatever you want and this makes sense to me as to why you are, especially if they have a Beats speaker out there that you can hear holes away instead of just kind of at a normal volume you can't hear 15-20 yards from their cart. I didn't mean it to be an argument, I was just pointing out why the courses aren't cracking down on it and I totally understand it. They're trying to make the place less stuffy and restrictive so young people will start coming out. I'd argue making it not cost $80 or more just to play a normal mediocre course would go a lot further than this though, as even like you said it's pretty rare and vast majority sill abide by the old customs


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 12:48 PM Post
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I know the common golf etiquette and I agree it's outside of it and all. It's just that times have changed, young people are used to having technology everywhere and listening to music everywhere off their phones and with earphones. They're going to be outside for 4 hours relaxing and want some music on, I don't think it's that absurd of a thing. It's just that it's customary not to do it at golf courses just out of tradition really. Years from now it'll just be more and more common unless you're at a snooty country club place.

Couldn't a reasonable person also understand and not be oblivious that other people like to listen to music while they play. Keeping in mind that 95% of people there are not what would be considered serious competitive golfers, they're just there to have a good time.

Again, I didn't mean to say you're wrong or anything. You can be bugged by whatever you want and this makes sense to me as to why you are, especially if they have a Beats speaker out there that you can hear holes away instead of just kind of at a normal volume you can't hear 15-20 yards from their cart. I didn't mean it to be an argument, I was just pointing out why the courses aren't cracking down on it and I totally understand it. They're trying to make the place less stuffy and restrictive so young people will start coming out. I'd argue making it not cost $80 or more just to play a normal mediocre course would go a lot further than this though, as even like you said it's pretty rare and vast majority sill abide by the old customs


I hike. I hike a lot. I get outside to enjoy nature, reset my internal batteries and just listen and see the beauty of the natural world.

More and more, I find people carrying around stupid bluetooth speakers and blasting music when they hike, completely distrubing my mood and serenity.

You want to listen to music in public, put your headphones on. Not doing this is completely disrespectful to those people around you. It's no different than secondhand smoke in my mind.

I golf, fairly often, and on Sunday afternoons, I'll have a small radio or bluetooth speaker on, so I can hear Uke. I can hear it when I'm in the cart, but I can't hear it when I'm hitting my ball.
This has not been my experience with people & music on the golf course.

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Posted: May 16, 2017, 1:08 PM Post
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Yup, that's the way it should be done. Phone speaker or slightly more that you can hear just around your cart. Like I said, blasting it with a Beats for the world to hear is different and will likely be continued to be frowned up and considered bad etiquette. Just like if you're in an airport or train and someone is playing games with volume on when in close proximity. This situation isn't the same as you're getting at because you're normally hundreds of yards away from other people and they can't hear it. It's not like smoking or playing your games with volume on in the airport or train with people around, you're hundreds of yards from others the vast majority of the time and are outdoors.

But keep in mind the person pushing this also said he's annoyed by people using carts. There might be a little 'just relax and enjoy yourself' that needs to go on if that's bothering you. Life's way too short to be ticked off all the time, it's just not worth it. To each their own though. I just started this out innocently saying why courses are allowing it and you just explained to me why it annoys. I know why it annoys you and I generally prefer it not to be there too. Courses are desperate though and don't want to turn anyone off if they don't have to


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 1:46 PM Post
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I go golfing largely for the quietness. It's the one place I go and my head is completely cleared of anything other than golf and its amazing. I don't want to hear music or any other sound that is not natural to a golf course while I'm golfing because it defeats the purpose of being there in the first place.


Exactly my thoughts. I love golf and I love music, but they don't belong together. I rarely encounter this but if it starts to become more widespread, I will ask the course before I book a tee time. And if they have a policy of no music, I will not hesitate to narc to the marshal if I hear anything.


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Posted: May 16, 2017, 8:36 PM Post
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To me, it depends on the course. If I'm playing the local muni for $30, yeah, sure, go ahead and connect the portable speaker to your iTunes. If I'm paying $100+ to play a good course, there better not be any distractions.


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I used to carry a sony radio and some sony stereo speakers (didn't need batteries) back around 2004. But they never could be heard more than about 10 feet away. I love golf, enjoy riding and walking, and enjoy some music if the vibe is right, but I shouldn't have to hear another group's music.

My frustration with golf these days is that golf courses are now accepting 4:30-5 hour rounds. I remember as a kid getting told that if we didn't play in 4:04 or so, we would get warnings.


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Posted: May 17, 2017, 12:03 AM Post
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just thought of another one. The Brewers always seem to come to San Diego during April/May on school nights. I'd love to go hang out in the Gas Lamp District and take in a game at Petco, but I can't do it without burning valuable vacation days. I do try to get to the games here in Phx though


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Posted: May 17, 2017, 10:29 AM Post
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I think that in general nobody else should have to listen to your music if you are in public.

Fan is short for fanatic.
I blame Wang.


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Posted: May 17, 2017, 5:07 PM Post
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I think that in general nobody else should have to listen to your music if you are in public.


Exactly. I guess the one exception I can think of is juke boxes in bars.


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Posted: May 17, 2017, 7:13 PM Post
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Our varsity team got screwed out of a regional first round bye by a vindictive opposing coach who voted our team way down out of spite best I can tell. Had he voted a legitimate vote we would have had the 1 seed but we dropped to 3 because of it.


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Posted: May 18, 2017, 7:05 AM Post
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Patrick425 said:
logan82 said:
I think that in general nobody else should have to listen to your music if you are in public.


Exactly. I guess the one exception I can think of is juke boxes in bars.


At golf though you're hundreds of yards from others and outdoors so sound doesn't travel well, it's not the same at all. That's where the gray area comes in and why it can easily be done without bothering anyone. I think it would be near consensus on anyone blasting Beats speakers super loud like an idiot though.


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Posted: May 18, 2017, 8:48 PM Post
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Like I said, they shouldn't have to listen to your music so if it can't be heard if you are more than 10' from the cart then it wouldn't be an issue.

Fan is short for fanatic.
I blame Wang.


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Posted: May 19, 2017, 7:31 AM Post
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Our team is in first place at the quarter mark of the season, and I get to read multiple posts/posters complaining that they're doing it with the wrong guys, wrong batting order, etc. They're on fire, getting great production, winning exciting games, and it just isn't good enough. I feel like there is a distinct demographic here that aren't necessarily baseball/Brewer fans...but look at the season as one of those GM sim games. It's not a real win if Sogard plays because he shouldn't be good. Broxton's hot streak doesn't matter because he's losing ABs in the 7 hole. Garza is terrible, it doesn't matter what the results show. They're winning, their offense is amazing, the pitching adds all the drama one could ask for. At some point this season, it's probably all going to go off the rails, and they'll be miserable to watch. Until then, enjoy it, we're Brewers fans, this isn't exactly normal.


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