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What's bugging you? (2017-2018)

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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 08, 2018, 6:31 AM Post
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DHonks said:
Just to update. We get 4 personal days and 10 sick days annually. We can convert 2 sick to personal. After that, we start using sick days. The co-worker has missed the last 6 days for the cruise, and 7 total in the last two weeks. And supposedly she missed 15-20 days in Aug-Oct.

So how does that work? Does she still get paid once her PTO / sick time has been exhausted? Or does some sort of short-term disability coverage kick in?


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 08, 2018, 9:05 AM Post
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Baldkin said:
Wait. Instead of a pay increase you got your vacation time cut in half?


More like we get an "additional" vacation time code which we can't really use. It becomes beneficial if we were to take a LOT of time off during the year.

In addition the State decided to up the salary floor, which led to brand new hires suddenly making as much money as people who'd been there 10 years, which was great for morale.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 08, 2018, 3:40 PM Post
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nodakfan17 said:
DHonks said:
Just to update. We get 4 personal days and 10 sick days annually. We can convert 2 sick to personal. After that, we start using sick days. The co-worker has missed the last 6 days for the cruise, and 7 total in the last two weeks. And supposedly she missed 15-20 days in Aug-Oct.

So how does that work? Does she still get paid once her PTO / sick time has been exhausted? Or does some sort of short-term disability coverage kick in?


These should all be unpaid days. If it were something chronic, it would be covered as medical leave. Our peeve is the students aren’t being educated, and we think the reason she’s getting away with it is she’s the principal’s niece.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 09, 2018, 10:29 AM Post
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A co-worker is a tattle-tale, for even the smallest little things. I feel like I'm going to get fired for accidentally taking a 61-minute lunch. I recently got in trouble for forgetting the gate counter readings and making a half-mile trip back to get it.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 12, 2018, 9:45 PM Post
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Sorry it took so long to reply. It is helpful to hear what I should do. I will say that my wife has seen every type of specialist, nutritionist, doctor, etc. She even saw an alternative medicine doctor. The doctor was a doctor...but she was a chiropractic. I was thinking it would turn out like the Seinfeld episode. Anyway, nobody has been able to diagnose her with anything. The good news is we know she does not have Celiac's. That disease is something that I would not mess with.

For the time being, I will continue to be supportive of her and will continue to urge her to try gluten again in a supportive way. My theory is that her body went into shock when she got back from the peace corps after being in Ukraine for 2 years. I'm guessing the wheat that they have there is very different from the kind we have here and her body would attack it. It amazes me how much unhealthy processed food we have in this country. Anyway, now that she has been back in the country for 5 years, I'm thinking it is time for her to try gluten again.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 7:07 PM Post
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my school district says insurance costs are going up 10.8% next year. I know others in AZ have it worse, but I have a friend in Wisco with it so much better. It's amazing how in the same profession, things can be so different.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 8:30 PM Post
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Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...

Teacher shortage here in WI is in it's infant stages, but it's going to be really bad in the near future.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 8:55 PM Post
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turborickey said:
Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...

Teacher shortage here in WI is in it's infant stages, but it's going to be really bad in the near future.


He lives in AZ. Arguably the biggest joke when it comes to public schooling for years.

Anything, sadly, is better.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 9:19 PM Post
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Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...


Or leaving the profession altogether. We had one teacher quit the day before Thanksgiving to take a job elsewhere and another announce he's leaving at the end of the semester. A few other teachers in my school have left the profession in the past two years, but they left at the end of the school year. I'm to the point where I am looking for a new job and would consider leaving mid-year if I found the right job.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 9:51 PM Post
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turborickey said:
Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...

Teacher shortage here in WI is in it's infant stages, but it's going to be really bad in the near future.


AZ had around 4,000 classrooms without certified teachers last year. When I started 12 years ago, our district was actively recruiting in Wisconsin (I had already moved here before becoming a teacher). I knew people that subbed in Wisco for 5+ years because they couldn't land jobs, then moved to other states. Things have changed a lot in a decade.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 13, 2018, 10:05 PM Post
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NeedMoreFans said:
Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...


Or leaving the profession altogether. We had one teacher quit the day before Thanksgiving to take a job elsewhere and another announce he's leaving at the end of the semester. A few other teachers in my school have left the profession in the past two years, but they left at the end of the school year. I'm to the point where I am looking for a new job and would consider leaving mid-year if I found the right job.


that's pretty awful, but I understand based on here in AZ. My district pays alright in AZ. We received a whopping 14% raise this year, which brings our average salary to just under $48,000. But we also contribute 11.64% to our pensions (11.94% next year). I don't consider leaving...I enjoy it. This year our Association is really hoping we can get the district to return to a salary schedule with steps. Of course there needs to be money from the legislature/governor.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 6:36 AM Post
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To be honest, the reasons that most teachers are leaving now is not due to compensation, rather a combination of student behavior and ever-increasing pressure on us not to fail students (though I argue teachers do not fail students, students fail themselves). The teacher that is leaving said he wants to teach his content and if he does it well, too many kids will fail. So he either has to teach what he wants and get yelled at for kids failing or dumb down the curriculum. One teacher that left at the end of the year last year left because he just burned out from dealing with constant cell phone usage. Others have found jobs that pay just as much outside of education and they don't have the stress anymore.

I can never be as entertaining as Snapchat or Fortnite, so it's a constant struggle to keep their attention. Grades aren't enough of a motivator for many kids right now because they can get instant gratification in many other ways. I teach in a school that doesn't want to do anything about it other than tell us what we can't do (I'm not allowed to take a phone). I've also been accused of not being engaging and welcoming enough, which is why chronic hall wanderers never come to my class, according to administration.

These problems are pretty widespread across schools, which is a big reason why a lot of people are simply getting up and walking out.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 7:48 AM Post
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ACT 10 changed the landscape for teachers. It can't be denied. It also changed the landscape for the education, or lack of that our students now receive.

Teachers bolting for other states, and leaving the profession all together is real...

All the things NeedMoreFans mentioned are true. Lack of backbone by administration (seems to be across the board, not just some districts), cell phones, selfish student behavior, and all the other things that millennial parenting has brought on our society is a big giant energy suck from the daily life of a teacher.

If I was in my 20's or even 30's, I'd be looking for a way out myself. The benefits are not what they once were, and the kids are not the same kids that were in classrooms when I started doing this 30 years ago. Since I have 3 more years after this one before retirement, I'm going to stick it out, but like I said, if I were younger, I'd have been out the door within a year of the ACT 10 nonsense that ruined this once great profession...


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 8:02 AM Post
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DHonks said:
NeedMoreFans said:
Wisconsin teachers have it so good here, that droves of them are leaving for other states...


Or leaving the profession altogether. We had one teacher quit the day before Thanksgiving to take a job elsewhere and another announce he's leaving at the end of the semester. A few other teachers in my school have left the profession in the past two years, but they left at the end of the school year. I'm to the point where I am looking for a new job and would consider leaving mid-year if I found the right job.


that's pretty awful, but I understand based on here in AZ. My district pays alright in AZ. We received a whopping 14% raise this year, which brings our average salary to just under $48,000. But we also contribute 11.64% to our pensions (11.94% next year). I don't consider leaving...I enjoy it. This year our Association is really hoping we can get the district to return to a salary schedule with steps. Of course there needs to be money from the legislature/governor.


Our district is moving away from steps and lanes into something else. They haven't told us yet, but I've heard we arent going to like it. I imagine it will be based around our SLO and test scores...which is just ridiculous. I can make an easy goal if that's what they want.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 8:51 AM Post
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stoutdude04 said:
Our district is moving away from steps and lanes into something else. They haven't told us yet, but I've heard we arent going to like it. I imagine it will be based around our SLO and test scores...which is just ridiculous. I can make an easy goal if that's what they want.



Our pay is based on our Danielson artifacts... You want to see ridiculous?

Sad.

Yup, I'd be gone if I was 20 something...


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 10:45 AM Post
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Political Forum would be the appropriate place for teachers to voice concerns about their massive pensions, pay schedule they knew going in, months of time off, and complete job security.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 11:05 AM Post
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Generally speaking I'd summarize WI situation along these lines. Things were a touch out of hand prior to the Walker crack down on all this stuff in regards to pay, benefits, pensions, insurance, etc. Such as, my high school gym teacher was making above 90K. And before all this there was an abundance of teachers with lots applying for every job where fresh grads had no chance of getting hired. So, capitalist logic would say well if you have an oversupply you don't need to pay more. But not surprisingly it seems it's been overcorrected and now the pendulum has swung the other direction. Now, lets hope as it gets fixed again that they found a good middle ground instead of overdoing it the other way instead of continuing this fight for another 12 years.

That's ignoring all the other valid issues brought up here and how the government is micromanaging how to teach, focusing only on the pay/benefits aspects.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 11:07 AM Post
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DHonks said:
This year our Association is really hoping we can get the district to return to a salary schedule with steps.


Well who wouldn't want that? Pay based on longevity and not actual skills/performance.

This coming from someone on such a system...it is such a tragically poor system.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 11:43 AM Post
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FVBrewerFan said:
Political Forum would be the appropriate place for teachers to voice concerns about their massive pensions, pay schedule they knew going in, months of time off, and complete job security.


That comment makes me realize that you have no idea what today's teaching profession is like, not a clue in the world...

So many things so wrong with your statement, but the last part, "complete job security" is the funniest of all...

[tired]


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 14, 2018, 12:18 PM Post
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My wife is a teacher, has been in three different districts in her career. Also subbed for a few years in several other districts. I know exactly what I'm talking about. It's like a feeding frenzy, teachers getting each other worked up about everything and anything.

Every job has challenges, but there's something about teachers that make them feel entitled. It just never stops. My wife was a big supporter of Act 10, and got out of the union as soon as she could. Obviously, nobody talks to her at her school anymore but she's ok with that. It is telling how childish teachers can be though.

I get it though, from day one a new teacher is exposed to this toxic environment, and it's just embedded in the system.


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