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What's bugging you? (2017-2018)

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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 16, 2018, 6:36 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
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That’s cool man, it wasn’t a story about you. So it is understandable it may not relate to you.


You did say 'every' teacher, so I imagine that's why he responded to it.


Every teacher I had, not the entire state.



Then you should have been more clear, rather than saying EVERY teacher. No way for anyone to know what you meant when you say EVERY...

Also, I don't believe that EVERY teacher you had statement either...


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 17, 2018, 2:10 PM Post
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By the way, time off in the summer is unpaid... Teachers do not get paid for days we don't work. That is another falsehood that the uneducated like to throw in our faces. Hence the reason a lot of teachers take on summer jobs, they don't get paid for summer vacation.

That is not a complaint, I don't know a single teacher that complains about not being paid in the summer. As mentioned, we all knew that when we decided to go into teaching.

The complaint is the ignorance of those who have no idea that we do not get paid for all those days off... That is uncontracted time.


IDK, this line of argument isn't quite right especially in such a condescending tone. They're paid for the year like any base salary. Just so happens you don't haaaaave to work for several weeks in a row. I know many do summer school and other stuff to supplement. It's really just a semantics thing and no reason to call anyone ignorant over it. Take X amount of money and pay it over 12 months or over 10 months, doesn't matter. You're paid the same. One could just as easily argue back that due to that long stretch of time off it allows to add other income whereas one who doesn't have that long stretch off can't.



It isn't semantics at all. The summer months are not paid, not contracted. The general public often thinks that teachers complain about their pay, but get all that time off. It just isn't the case. Unpaid days such as spring breaks, Christmas vacations, and summer days are not included in our base salary. They are unpaid days.


I really don't know what you're arguing. We all know exactly what you mean and I don't know how saying you're not paid for the summers helps your side of the argument, if anything it opens it up to the other side to say "see, work something else in the summer to get more money" (which I generally disagree with, this is long hours with tons of BS through the year so the several weeks off is needed imo). It is not ignorant at all as someone else said. Your paid X amount of to work that school year, call it what you will. It doesn't matter either way. That's what I mean by semantics: paid summer or not paid summer, it doesn't matter your paid X amount for the school year. I don't recall if teachers have the choice to spread it out over 26 two week pay periods or to have it begin in Sept and end in June, but again it doesn't matter because your paid X amount for the school year.

ETA: That said, I see why you felt the need to fire back a bit after the other comments by some. That kind of epitomizes the whole problem on this topic really.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 23, 2018, 11:05 AM Post
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Several years ago, UW started bring in "therapy dogs" to campus libraries to help with stress during finals.

I'm sorry, but if you think finals are stressful to the point where you need a therapy dog, you will have a very rude awakening when you get into the real world. #getoffmylawn


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Posted: December 23, 2018, 4:27 PM Post
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Several years ago, UW started bring in "therapy dogs" to campus libraries to help with stress during finals.

I'm sorry, but if you think finals are stressful to the point where you need a therapy dog, you will have a very rude awakening when you get into the real world. #getoffmylawn


Finals are the real world. They are gate keepers for those that want to pursue something in the career that they want. Ripping someone for stressing over this is awfully foolish and because this generation is combating stress only makes them stronger and smarter. Not dumber and weaker like you’re trying to portray in your post. Why is it that older generations hate change so much that they will take down anyone in their paths because they don’t agree with someone?!? A bunch of nonesense. Stress has been breaking individuals since the dawn of time. Super idiotic that people are trying to combat it......... #getoffMYlawn

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Posted: December 23, 2018, 7:39 PM Post
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While I think there's a place for therapy animals and that finding creative ways to cope with stress is a good thing, I think much of finals stress for many students is self-induced from procrastination and a lack of preparation.


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Posted: December 23, 2018, 8:44 PM Post
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At least in my experience there are dogs everywhere in the real world...a growing number of employers are allowing or even encouraging dogs in the workplace. I take mine to work a few times per week and there are often several other dogs riding the bus/train into work with us.


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 7:48 AM Post
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I’m not an old man and think having therapy animals on campus during finals is silly. It’s not a good look for Millenials. That being said, if it helps kids avoid relying on drugs, alcohol, or nicotine to cope with stress then I’m OK with it.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 8:28 AM Post
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I guess I'm curious why anyone cares? So someone has a dog with them because it makes them feel better. Big deal. As you said, there are a lot of different things they could be trying that are illegal or harmful to the body. Everyone is different and people cope with things differently, who am I to raise a stink over it. On top of that, I am wondering how someone else with a dog is bothering you? Is it making noise or making a mess? I could see that being frustrating. But if it's just sitting there and being calm...why be upset?


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 8:32 AM Post
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If you are getting stressed over finals it is more than likely your own fault. I never got stressed over finals the only stress I had was if I was going to get a B or an A. Basically no stress at all because I already did the work to get the grade I wanted. Plus nearly all finals are pushovers compared to the actual work you put in during the semester.

People get stressed because they try to cram a semester worth of work into that final week. If you were doing everything you had to do during the semester the finals wouldn't be all that stressful.

I also did all of this while working a 35-40 hour week job. I don't see the stress for finals.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 9:09 AM Post
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nate82 said:
People get stressed because they try to cram a semester worth of work into that final week. If you were doing everything you had to do during the semester the finals wouldn't be all that stressful.


This is simply not true. I had many, many friends who stressed over finals who did a lot of work throughout.

My wife, for example, stressed over finals and she spent more time on coursework than anyone I've seen.

I had one class that had 30% grade on midterm and 70% on final. If others had something similar I could absolutely see them getting worked up.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 12:28 PM Post
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nate82 said:
If you are getting stressed over finals it is more than likely your own fault. I never got stressed over finals the only stress I had was if I was going to get a B or an A. Basically no stress at all because I already did the work to get the grade I wanted. Plus nearly all finals are pushovers compared to the actual work you put in during the semester.

People get stressed because they try to cram a semester worth of work into that final week.


Maybe this depends on your major. For my history major, we typically had 3 assignments the entire term—midterm, term paper, and final. So when a final is 30-50% of a grade, it’s normal to feel nervous (aka stress). For my Econ major, there were often some weekly assignments, but the bulk of the grade fell on the midterm(s) and final.


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 1:00 PM Post
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Always enjoy people telling others what they should and should not be stressed out. Really shows their understanding for others.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 1:13 PM Post
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I was an English major, so the week before Finals I always had a 30-page research paper due in each class, too. So I'd agree there's a lot of stress even with preparation because there can just be a lot to do or learn in a short time.

I hate dogs and have a co-worker deathly allergic to them. I don't know how an office place could deal with having both people like me there and also allowing dogs.

For me the idea of it is frustrating because to some degree cry-rooms, safe spaces and stress animals probably isn't the best way to be teaching grown-up college kids how to deal with stress. They'll be getting it in their workplaces later, but those won't offer places for people to run away to when tensions get high. At what point are people just being coddled?


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 1:39 PM Post
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nate82 said:
If you are getting stressed over finals it is more than likely your own fault. I never got stressed over finals the only stress I had was if I was going to get a B or an A. Basically no stress at all because I already did the work to get the grade I wanted. Plus nearly all finals are pushovers compared to the actual work you put in during the semester.

People get stressed because they try to cram a semester worth of work into that final week. If you were doing everything you had to do during the semester the finals wouldn't be all that stressful.

I also did all of this while working a 35-40 hour week job. I don't see the stress for finals.



Everyone reacts to stress and pressure in very different ways. Saying "this is what I did and was successful, therefore finals wouldn't/shouldn't be stressful for others if they worked hard" is just incorrect for a lot of reasons.


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 1:42 PM Post
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I was an English major, so the week before Finals I always had a 30-page research paper due in each class, too. So I'd agree there's a lot of stress even with preparation because there can just be a lot to do or learn in a short time.

I hate dogs and have a co-worker deathly allergic to them. I don't know how an office place could deal with having both people like me there and also allowing dogs.

For me the idea of it is frustrating because to some degree cry-rooms, safe spaces and stress animals probably isn't the best way to be teaching grown-up college kids how to deal with stress. They'll be getting it in their workplaces later, but those won't offer places for people to run away to when tensions get high. At what point are people just being coddled?



If you hate dogs just because you don't like them, then I think you'd just have to deal with it. [smile] I hate people and have to be around them every day. If someone is allergic to dogs, then I think obviously that's a discussion that has to be had.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 3:42 PM Post
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I guess I'm curious why anyone cares? So someone has a dog with them because it makes them feel better. Big deal. As you said, there are a lot of different things they could be trying that are illegal or harmful to the body. Everyone is different and people cope with things differently, who am I to raise a stink over it. On top of that, I am wondering how someone else with a dog is bothering you? Is it making noise or making a mess? I could see that being frustrating. But if it's just sitting there and being calm...why be upset?


My daughter is extremely allergic to dogs and cats where it sets off an asthma situation for her. She can rub up against another persons jacket with her bare arm that has dog dander on it and within minutes break out. It would be similar to people with peanut allergies if there was peanut dust dispersed in the air.


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Posted: December 24, 2018, 6:15 PM Post
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Not all, of course, but a lot of Park Rangers hate dogs that aren't theirs because we've been bitten enough times by "don't worry he's friendly" dogs in the past. I haven't had to get my baton out for people yet, but I've done so several times for dogs. But someone's allergies aside, even if it were just a general dislike, it seems unreasonable that someone would just have to accept having a dog in an office environment unless "we allow dogs" were something stated in the job application process.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 8:46 PM Post
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I'm allergic to most dogs and all cats. I 100% do not want them in the workplace, or have to take medication so others can enjoy their animals at work.

We bend over backwards to be accepting of others for many reasons, if it is a health related reason such as being allergic, it's ridiculous to expect myself, and others like me to have to accept animals in the workplace.

Maybe the people who want animals in the workplace/school just have to deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with THEM?

I can't believe this is even a discussion.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 24, 2018, 11:31 PM Post
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I understand and respect the health reason, however, I'd argue that for 'some' it is a health reason. Anxiety, stress, depression, etc is all real and affects the health of others.


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Offline  Re: What's bugging you? (2017)
Posted: December 25, 2018, 8:00 PM Post
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Two places I've worked at had dogs in the office. Both places reeked of stinky dog whenever you were there and the smell and hair stayed on my clothes when I got home. I really hate dogs but I guess I don't have a problem with people having them at work as long as their presence doesn't negatively affect others. When you show up everyday and the boss's dog shoves their face in your crotch, then maybe you need to reconsider things.


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