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Offline igor67 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: June 03, 2020, 6:49 PM Post
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I honestly find it more than a little disturbing that the stock market is basically right back where it was
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Offline owbc Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: June 03, 2020, 9:23 PM Post
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igor67 said:
I honestly find it more than a little disturbing that the stock market is basically right back where it was


As I noted in the other thread, many businesses have used this as an opportunity to slash labor costs and trim unnecessary costs. Many were also sitting on a ton of cash which combined with the government loans has allowed them to move along.

The question I have is--when will the high unemployment start to take its toll on the economy? Seems like the answer depends on how long unemployment benefits are allowed to continue. And a number of industries are counting on additional government support to make it through the rest of the year. My bet is that nothing is allowed to fall apart until after the November election.
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Offline superfly Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: June 03, 2020, 11:12 PM Post
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igor67 said:
I honestly find it more than a little disturbing that the stock market is basically right back where it was


Unlimited fed printing and 0% interest rates really does wonders for a fake stock market doesn’t it? Oops sorry I was supposed to say “stimulates the economy.” 2020 pumping stocks is what 2019 was except all roided up.

*Typing this as the futures are green and were on about 12 days in a row of the same exact “pumping stock futures at night and green markets all day long.”
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Offline brewcrewdue80 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: June 04, 2020, 12:20 AM Post
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superfly said:
igor67 said:
I honestly find it more than a little disturbing that the stock market is basically right back where it was


Unlimited fed printing and 0% interest rates really does wonders for a fake stock market doesn’t it? Oops sorry I was supposed to say “stimulates the economy.” 2020 pumping stocks is what 2019 was except all roided up.

*Typing this as the futures are green and were on about 12 days in a row of the same exact “pumping stock futures at night and green markets all day long.”


This bothers me also, but then again the Dow is based on 30 companies. My stock watch has lost one stock, and I feel at least 2 more are due to disappear or be bought out and absorbed.
I imagine there are a few sectors that have or will be hit hard, but come the Dow 30, 3months is but a blip to them, I imagine the majority was deemed essential and business generally moved right on along.
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Offline superfly Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: June 07, 2020, 7:38 PM Post
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Not being bearish but in my opinion the “virus” cases are about to spike here in the next few weeks...could see the market yanked. I’ll be taking profits on anything left that I’m not holding long long term.

Note we won’t see the lows again, but im thinking they try to shut us down again. Horrible for the economy and all of us, bullish for stocks.

Just for fun I’ll probably buy a small position in Hertz (HTZ) this week too. Read the government is directly invested in them now by hook or crook, so thinking they won’t cancel the shares. Hero or zero type play.
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Offline nodakfan17 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: November 16, 2020, 1:40 PM Post
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I have some spare cash I’d like to invest in equity index mutual funds. I’d hate to put these funds in the market all at once only to see the market go down, so I think dollar cost averaging makes more sense for me. What’s an appropriate timeframe for DCA’ing? 1 year? 2 years? Longer?
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Offline PeaveyFury Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: November 16, 2020, 2:03 PM Post
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I have some spare cash I’d like to invest in equity index mutual funds. I’d hate to put these funds in the market all at once only to see the market go down, so I think dollar cost averaging makes more sense for me. What’s an appropriate timeframe for DCA’ing? 1 year? 2 years? Longer?


I'm a fan of shorter DCAing, as I believe data has shown that 3-6 months is ideal. I could certainly be wrong about that, but I believe there was a study on it from a couple of years ago.
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Offline nodakfan17 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: November 17, 2020, 5:18 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
nodakfan17 said:
I have some spare cash I’d like to invest in equity index mutual funds. I’d hate to put these funds in the market all at once only to see the market go down, so I think dollar cost averaging makes more sense for me. What’s an appropriate timeframe for DCA’ing? 1 year? 2 years? Longer?


I'm a fan of shorter DCAing, as I believe data has shown that 3-6 months is ideal. I could certainly be wrong about that, but I believe there was a study on it from a couple of years ago.


Thanks. The rational side of me knows regularly investing in equity index mutual funds is a proven path to financial independence. The irrational side of me finds it hard to part with cash knowing how hard I’ve worked to accumulate adequate (non-retirement) savings.
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Offline GAME05 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 17, 2020, 3:37 PM Post
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I've done my reading (could always do more), but still largely speculating and not investing. Really need to carve out more time each week to sit down and take a better look at one or two companies.

Thought pharmacies would do better with a vaccine coming our way, but I guess if it needs -70 temperatures to remain good that doesn't really help them.

Did very well on Tesla, though I jumped out at $590 after hearing from many that it was overvalued and could potentially face their first vehicle recall. It's still going up, though. But I think once they get their satellite internet service....off the ground... it'll surprise some folks at just how many rural people are wanting better service.

Got some Grayscale Bitcoin Trust a couple weeks ago. Turned out to be good timing. But I have absolutely no idea what to think of it going forward or if I should just cut bait.
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Offline nate82 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 17, 2020, 3:52 PM Post
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This year I have only bought 1 stock and that was AIEQ back in January at about $29 a share and it selling right now at about $36 a share and I still have WU which I bought a few years ago at $19 a share and is trading at $23 a share. I did sell my AMD position this year which I held for about 5-years bought at $3 a share and sold at $94 a share which was nice except for the tax bill at the end of this year. I hate taxes and I have already rolled over all of my other long-term losses so no help on that for this upcoming tax year.

I am thinking in investing in OTGLY, yes I know they had a horrible release for their most recent game but I think the sales numbers even with returns are still going to beat projections and the stock should rise.
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Offline FVBrewerFan Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 17, 2020, 4:07 PM Post
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GAME05 said:
I've done my reading (could always do more), but still largely speculating and not investing. Really need to carve out more time each week to sit down and take a better look at one or two companies.

Thought pharmacies would do better with a vaccine coming our way, but I guess if it needs -70 temperatures to remain good that doesn't really help them.

Did very well on Tesla, though I jumped out at $590 after hearing from many that it was overvalued and could potentially face their first vehicle recall. It's still going up, though. But I think once they get their satellite internet service....off the ground... it'll surprise some folks at just how many rural people are wanting better service.

Got some Grayscale Bitcoin Trust a couple weeks ago. Turned out to be good timing. But I have absolutely no idea what to think of it going forward or if I should just cut bait.


Pharmacies got crushed recently when Amazon jumped into that space with both feet. I bought a little Walgreens for the first time in my life, figuring Amazon may not hurt them as bad as the market thought. We'll see.

Tesla and Bitcoin are too volatile for my liking, but I do track them.
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Offline owbc Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:13 PM Post
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igor67 said:
I honestly find it more than a little disturbing that the stock market is basically right back where it was


Just looking back at this from June...LOL. The share price of my wife's company is now triple its pre-pandemic value. This has to be the biggest transfer of wealth to corporations and the 1% in American history. It's so messed up.
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Offline turborickey Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:25 PM Post
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the new administration takes over...
"I'm sick of runnin' from these wimps!" Ajax - The WARRIORS
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Online CheezWizHed Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:25 PM Post
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A couple things to note:
- COVID drove up inflation too. I'm not sure the exact percentage, but prices are visibly higher than pre-COVID (especially anything service related).
- Corporations don't "own" the money in the stock market. That is money borrowed from people.
- Far more than 1% of people have money in the stock market.

Far more disturbing is the number of small businesses that closed while big businesses were allowed to operate.
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Offline owbc Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:46 PM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
A couple things to note:
- COVID drove up inflation too. I'm not sure the exact percentage, but prices are visibly higher than pre-COVID (especially anything service related).
- Corporations don't "own" the money in the stock market. That is money borrowed from people.
- Far more than 1% of people have money in the stock market.

Far more disturbing is the number of small businesses that closed while big businesses were allowed to operate.


Some of the inflation is also related to tariffs. Especially construction materials.

Yes, technically the corporations do not own the wealth. But the increased value is derived from government borrowing and gobbling up the market share of small businesses. So it's all related.

The way I look at it is you might *think* you are doing well in the stock market, but if you are married to someone who has vesting stock options in one of these companies you quickly learn that you're making peanuts. I say this as someone who is benefitting from this and I think it's absurd. And then you think about the majority of Americans who have nothing invested and no pathway to receive any of it other than a $600 check.
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Offline FVBrewerFan Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 12:54 PM Post
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Oh cry me a river. If they're not investing, it's likely their own fault. And they would be suffering even worse without a booming stock market.
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Offline owbc Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:04 PM Post
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Oh cry me a river. If they're not investing, it's likely their own fault. And they would be suffering even worse without a booming stock market.


You're completely out of touch. I work a government job and our org has seen a 10% cut this year. Lost headcount. Extra work for everyone. We haven't seen a penny of any of these stimulus bills. The majority of this country is paycheck-to-paycheck.

This country would be better off as a whole if the stock market was doing worse and that wealth was going to small businesses and hourly workers.
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Offline FVBrewerFan Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:28 PM Post
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FVBrewerFan said:
Oh cry me a river. If they're not investing, it's likely their own fault. And they would be suffering even worse without a booming stock market.


You're completely out of touch. I work a government job and our org has seen a 10% cut this year. Lost headcount. Extra work for everyone. We haven't seen a penny of any of these stimulus bills. The majority of this country is paycheck-to-paycheck.

This country would be better off as a whole if the stock market was doing worse and that wealth was going to small businesses and hourly workers.


Well, no. If the stock market was doing worse, that would mean even more layoffs. How would the wealth magically "go to small business and hourly workers?" Majority of the country is living paycheck to paycheck, yes, with freedom comes the freedom to make bad choices. Also, if you have a government job, will you be getting a pension? Where do you think that comes from??? That's right, the stock market.
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Online CheezWizHed Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:50 PM Post
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Ok, time to stop and turn back to investing strategies.
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Offline thebruce44 Re: The Investment Thread
Posted: December 22, 2020, 1:53 PM Post
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Our house is finally selling today. I should get a large amount of cash from the deal and will hopefully need that again in a year or two as another down payment. I so want to throw some of it into the market or Bitcoin, but I know better. It is going to suck to watch housing increase in value while I make a .01% return in a savings account.
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