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Posted: May 03, 2018, 1:59 PM Post
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Scenario: Runners on 1st and 3rd, One Out.

Fly ball to the outfield, caught by the outfielder, runner at 3rd tags and crosses home plate, the runner at first base does not tag, goes to second base, ball is thrown to 1st and the runner is double up, but the base is not tagged until after the runner on 3rd base crosses the plate. Does the run count? Is this a "timing play" or a "force out"?

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Posted: May 03, 2018, 2:05 PM Post
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Run scores because it's not a force out. Only know that from seeing it happen.


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Posted: May 03, 2018, 2:08 PM Post
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Correct.


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Posted: May 04, 2018, 5:37 AM Post
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Yeah it is a timing play, not a force out. Run scores.


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Posted: May 04, 2018, 5:56 AM Post
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This happened to the Brewers once, about 30 years ago. Lost to the Yankees. The local TV news and ESPN reported the final score as "3-1". Pick up the paper the next morning and the score actually was 4-1.


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Posted: May 04, 2018, 7:02 AM Post
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Jimbo said:
This happened to the Brewers once, about 30 years ago. Lost to the Yankees. The local TV news and ESPN reported the final score as "3-1". Pick up the paper the next morning and the score actually was 4-1.


I remember that game!

Scoreboard had the wrong score up the entire game. Can only imagine what would've happened had the Brewers scored 2 in the 9th.

Wow. Wikipedia comes through again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFourth_out

A "fourth out" situation presented itself on July 1, 1989 in a game at Yankee Stadium. The New York Yankees led the Milwaukee Brewers by a score of 4-1. In the home half of the eighth inning, the Yankees had Mike Pagliarulo on third base and Bob Geren on first with one out. Attempting to "squeeze" the runner home with a bunt, Wayne Tolleson managed only a pop fly. Brewer pitcher Jay Aldrich caught the ball in the air and threw to first baseman Greg Brock, catching Geren before he could return for an inning-ending double play, after which the teams left the field as is customary.

However, Pagliarulo had already crossed home plate before the third out was recorded. Had a Milwaukee player promptly obtained the ball and touched third base, Pagliarulo would have been called out for leaving the base before the catch. The "fourth" out on Pagliarulo would have taken priority, erasing the out on Geren, and no run would have scored. Because the team had neglected to do so, plate umpire Larry Barnett had no choice but to signal to the official scorer that Pagliarulo had indeed scored a run.

The Brewers failed to score in the ninth, and the Yankees won. The scoreboard operator remained unaware of the situation, and thus hardly anyone in attendance knew that the final score had been 5-1 rather than 4-1. Had the Brewers scored three runs and still lost the game, their oversight would have assumed significance.

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Posted: May 04, 2018, 7:29 AM Post
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So if that same situation from 1989 happened in a tie game in the 9th how does that work? After they get the out at first how long would the Brewers have to get the out at third? If the Brewers head to the dugout is it a walk off win for the Yankees and does that third out at first even technically ever happen since an out can't occur after a run scores in normal walk off situations.


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Posted: May 04, 2018, 12:27 PM Post
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Outlander said:
So if that same situation from 1989 happened in a tie game in the 9th how does that work? After they get the out at first how long would the Brewers have to get the out at third? If the Brewers head to the dugout is it a walk off win for the Yankees and does that third out at first even technically ever happen since an out can't occur after a run scores in normal walk off situations.


Once the defense begins to abandon the field, the play is over. I'd say the run counts.


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Posted: May 04, 2018, 1:37 PM Post
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I'm just kind of surprised that has never happened in the history of baseball, a squeeze type play in the bottom of the ninth to win a game. Whenever I see this type of scenario going forward I will probably think to myself that we could see history today.


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