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Posted: November 05, 2019, 9:14 AM Post
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The growing movement to end changing clocks 2 times a year. Are people really put out by having to do this twice a year? I saw a survey that indicated that there is a majority of people who do not want to have to switch clocks every year. What is really bugging me about this is that the majority of that group wants permanent standard time instead of daylight savings time. I'm hoping they just did not understand the difference (or the question was not worded correctly) and they just heard the word "standard" and thought, "Yes, I just want a standard time". If we went on permanent standard time instead of permanent daylight savings time that would mean that on the day of the year with the most daylight hours the sun would rise at 4:12 and set at 7:34 (in Milwaukee at least). Is that really what people want? I would hope not. That would also create a lot of issues for youth sports and other spring/summer daylight activities.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 9:22 AM Post
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The growing movement to end changing clocks 2 times a year. Are people really put out by having to do this twice a year? I saw a survey that indicated that there is a majority of people who do not want to have to switch clocks every year. What is really bugging me about this is that the majority of that group wants permanent standard time instead of daylight savings time. I'm hoping they just did not understand the difference (or the question was not worded correctly) and they just heard the word "standard" and thought, "Yes, I just want a standard time". If we went on permanent standard time instead of permanent daylight savings time that would mean that on the day of the year with the most daylight hours the sun would rise at 4:12 and set at 7:34 (in Milwaukee at least). Is that really what people want? I would hope not. That would also create a lot of issues for youth sports and other spring/summer daylight activities.


I'd keep it in Daylight Savings all year. Give me all the afternoon daylight I can get. I don't care if it's dark when I go to work in the morning.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 9:48 AM Post
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Yes, I would think people just didn't think deeply enough to know the difference. Off the top of my head I for sure wouldn't have known which is which.

Fundraisers, I agree. But from a different perspective than doing the work and cost like was mentioned. I mean from being pressured into buying this stuff from friends and co workers. Like, you're the one sending your kids to private schools, I don't see why I should feel like I have to give you charity to do it by buying overpriced food, magazines, etc. Of course there are other examples of things besides schools, but this especially gets me as pretty much every school system in the Madison suburbs is really good and Madison property taxes are really high (relative to the state) to pay for these good schools.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 10:41 AM Post
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On the west coast we already passed state bills to go to permanent DST. Just waiting on California and then they will go to Congress...so maybe it will happen eventually if we’re lucky.

It’s only day 3 of 4:45 sunsets and I’m already sick of it.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 11:24 AM Post
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On the west coast we already passed state bills to go to permanent DST. Just waiting on California and then they will go to Congress...so maybe it will happen eventually if we’re lucky.

It’s only day 3 of 4:45 sunsets and I’m already sick of it.


Hopefully if most or all states eventually go this route they go with DST as you mention here.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 11:29 AM Post
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I don't understand why we need DST.

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Posted: November 05, 2019, 12:15 PM Post
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I don't understand why we need DST.


Not sure if you mean you don't understand why we need DST or why we need to switch back and forth twice a year. As discussed above, if states start switching to just one time all year round, it's seems more logical to go with DST over ST.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 12:16 PM Post
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My only hangup with eliminating DST is sending kids to and from school while it’s still dark out. The chances of a child being abducted or hit by a car probably increase without DST.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 12:24 PM Post
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My only hangup with eliminating DST is sending kids to and from school while it’s still dark out. The chances of a child being abducted or hit by a car probably increase without DST.



Not for eliminating DST (even if we just use that all year round). However, the shortest amount of daylight hours under standard time is from around 7:15am to 4:20pm depending on where you live. That is in December. Most kids go to and from school between those hours.

Edit: Also, if we did not switch from DST in November, the sun would come up at 8:15 on Dec 20/21 and go down at around 5:20. So, more of a chance of kids going to school in the dark in that scenario.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 12:28 PM Post
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homer said:
I don't understand why we need DST.


Not sure if you mean you don't understand why we need DST or why we need to switch back and forth twice a year. As discussed above, if states start switching to just one time all year round, it's seems more logical to go with DST over ST.


I think we should just leave it as one time and not switch.

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Posted: November 05, 2019, 4:36 PM Post
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Patrick425 said:
homer said:
I don't understand why we need DST.


Not sure if you mean you don't understand why we need DST or why we need to switch back and forth twice a year. As discussed above, if states start switching to just one time all year round, it's seems more logical to go with DST over ST.


I think we should just leave it as one time and not switch.


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Posted: November 06, 2019, 10:27 AM Post
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DST makes more sense for northern states than it does for the southern ones.

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Posted: November 06, 2019, 11:12 PM Post
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Someone wrote a letter to the editor that ran on madison dot com this week with mostly common complaints about the hassles of adjusting to a time change twice a year...then she ended the letter with "Let's change the time a half hour next March and be done with it!"

A half hour. I'm not much into the generational fights (as seen on another off topic thread), but that letter felt to me like the reason why OK, Boomer has become a thing. [rolling eyes]

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Posted: November 07, 2019, 8:20 AM Post
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Did anyone catch The Little Mermaid Live on Tuesday? My wife was hugely disappointed as ABC merely spliced in some live musical numbers into the original animated film. Only ~20% was actually live.


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Posted: November 08, 2019, 10:09 AM Post
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Did anyone catch The Little Mermaid Live on Tuesday? My wife was hugely disappointed as ABC merely spliced in some live musical numbers into the original animated film. Only ~20% was actually live.


My wife recorded it. Then she saw all the negative reviews and wasn't even sure that she would watch it. She ended up watching it and said she enjoyed it.


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Posted: November 08, 2019, 10:30 AM Post
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Patrick425 said:
nodakfan17 said:
Did anyone catch The Little Mermaid Live on Tuesday? My wife was hugely disappointed as ABC merely spliced in some live musical numbers into the original animated film. Only ~20% was actually live.


My wife recorded it. Then she saw all the negative reviews and wasn't even sure that she would watch it. She ended up watching it and said she enjoyed it.


We started watching it with our young son last night and it was better than our initial impression. Maybe 60/40 animated vs. live.


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Posted: November 09, 2019, 10:13 AM Post
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homer said:
Patrick425 said:
homer said:
I don't understand why we need DST.


Not sure if you mean you don't understand why we need DST or why we need to switch back and forth twice a year. As discussed above, if states start switching to just one time all year round, it's seems more logical to go with DST over ST.


I think we should just leave it as one time and not switch.


It works great in AZ that we stay STD year round. We don’t want more evening sun in summer. It’s. Weird in Montana that it’s twilight at 10:30pm in late June. They probably should be STD year round as well.

I read an interesting idea a couple years ago that perhaps we should have eastern time change back one hour and pacific forward one hour, and just go with two time zones. with how interconnected the world is these days, it would make a lot more sense for business.


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Posted: November 09, 2019, 10:27 AM Post
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It works great in AZ that we stay STD year round. We don’t want more evening sun in summer. It’s. Weird in Montana that it’s twilight at 10:30pm in late June. They probably should be STD year round as well.

I read an interesting idea a couple years ago that perhaps we should have eastern time change back one hour and pacific forward one hour, and just go with two time zones. with how interconnected the world is these days, it would make a lot more sense for business.

It depends on where in the time zone you are. For eastern WI, you're on the eastern part of the Central time zone (changes in Indiana/Michigan), so the sun will rise earlier and set earlier than if you're in the middle of Nebraska, where you're on the western edge of the time zone. I spent a summer in Lincoln, NE, and it would still be light until 10pm.

Having two time zones would amplify the problem. The sun would rise and set about two hours difference between NYC and Dallas. The curve of the Earth is why there are time zones.


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Posted: November 09, 2019, 12:55 PM Post
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DHonks said:
It works great in AZ that we stay STD year round. We don’t want more evening sun in summer. It’s. Weird in Montana that it’s twilight at 10:30pm in late June. They probably should be STD year round as well.

I read an interesting idea a couple years ago that perhaps we should have eastern time change back one hour and pacific forward one hour, and just go with two time zones. with how interconnected the world is these days, it would make a lot more sense for business.

It depends on where in the time zone you are. For eastern WI, you're on the eastern part of the Central time zone (changes in Indiana/Michigan), so the sun will rise earlier and set earlier than if you're in the middle of Nebraska, where you're on the western edge of the time zone. I spent a summer in Lincoln, NE, and it would still be light until 10pm.

Having two time zones would amplify the problem. The sun would rise and set about two hours difference between NYC and Dallas. The curve of the Earth is why there are time zones.


Depends on the problem. Sunlight too early or too late might be your problem, but working in the west based on east coast markets could be a different problem. People in California working in the financial industry have to be at work at 5:30 to prep for the markets opening. A 2-time zone country would alleviate some business challenges. Even some of the jet lag would be mitigated. Governments arbitrarily choose their timezones and don't simply do them every 15º of longitude as one might mathematically expect. Heck, there's even several half timezones in the world.

My only peeve is that my devices always seem to think I'm in Mountain-Denver whenever I switch time zones, but I should be in Mountain-Phoenix. I frequently have to toggle my phone location


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The yelling lady/laughing cat meme. Ok, enough already.


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