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Posted: January 05, 2021, 2:44 PM Post
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Brian the Automator said:
I have fond memories of that day where we were at 5%. In June.

Our current 35% is insane. I don't think it's from lack of testing capacity. Apparently Wisconsinites are just stubborn.


Stubborn is the polite way of putting it...

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Posted: January 05, 2021, 4:24 PM Post
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I'll take plain stubborn over "MN Nice" which is really passive-aggressiveness -> translation: Stubborn + Lie about it to make you feel good.


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Posted: January 05, 2021, 5:28 PM Post
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What exactly does the percentage of positive tests show? If all those tested were randomly selected then there would be some statical relevance but that's not what's happening. There are large testing centers where every hypochondriac goes probably daily that skew those numbers to useless. I read that the WI National Guard testing centers are reaching 1,000,000 tests collected. How many of those people that they tested had any real reason to get tested other than misplaced fear and curiosity? The sample is not at all representative of the population. I'm not downplaying anything or saying there's a conspiracy I'm just confused as to why people get so fixated on this. It's bad statistical gathering so I don't know what exactly you can glean from the information.


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Posted: January 05, 2021, 6:22 PM Post
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Because if it's high it shows there is very high likelihood there is many more in the community who haven't been tested. Essentially it shows there is a lot of positive tests (not good) and/or there is not even testing being done to find them all. It's getting at how widespread it is within a specific region and if testing is keeping up with the levels of transmission.

Simplest way is probably, if the % is high it means more testing should be done and within that testing you're going to find a lot more positives. And if all those extra positives are out there and not tested/aware it means they won't be isolated and can contribute to further spread. Of course there is some gaps in and some other variables to consider but it's one indicator to factor in when looking at trends. For a baseball metaphor, batting average or ERA aren't perfect stats but they're ones to factor into the overall picture along with many other things.


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Posted: January 05, 2021, 7:59 PM Post
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What exactly does the percentage of positive tests show? If all those tested were randomly selected then there would be some statical relevance but that's not what's happening. There are large testing centers where every hypochondriac goes probably daily that skew those numbers to useless. I read that the WI National Guard testing centers are reaching 1,000,000 tests collected. How many of those people that they tested had any real reason to get tested other than misplaced fear and curiosity? The sample is not at all representative of the population. I'm not downplaying anything or saying there's a conspiracy I'm just confused as to why people get so fixated on this. It's bad statistical gathering so I don't know what exactly you can glean from the information.
I agree completely. It maybe says something about the testing protocols in place, but even with that it's flawed. From my point of view it's a largely useless statistic.


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Posted: January 05, 2021, 8:25 PM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144673/download
That second round of injections has yet to begin in the US, and there are murmurs that it may be pushed out further and/or lowering the amount of vaccine administered due to a combo of the uneven initial rollout, concerns over a couple highly transmissive COVID variants recently detected that are pushing health officials to recommend using the available vaccine supply to give more people a 1st injection, and concerns of how the side effect profile will look following the 2nd dose - particularly with elderly (80+) and immunocompromised groups of people once they start getting vaccinated in any significant numbers. The prelim data from the studies points to this approach still being pretty effective and better than nothing to provide significant immunity after just one dose, but this altered approach would essentially be a study of its own since the vaccine wouldn't get administered to the level the studies were based upon that led to them being approved for widespread public distribution. Another thing to keep in mind is study groups mirrored age and general health profiles of medical staff much more than nursing home residents/immunocompromised - as very few people over 80 or who would be deemed the most at risk to COVID were part of the test groups (similar to pretty much all initial vaccine studies to determine efficacy/tolerance).
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, however I believe you are saying that there are concerns about side effects with older people and the immunocompromised. The data include a 65+ cohort segregated from the 18-65 population. The trends seen there are similar, but reduced. This makes sense as immunity generally wanes with age. Thus one would generally expect a vaccine to have reduced efficacy with the elderly, and also to have reduced side effects.

The effects of vaccination on the immunocompromised would depend greatly on the exact nature of their immunodeficiency so it's hard to draw conclusions. I suspect that most people with severe immunodeficiencies would not be eligible for the vaccine.


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Posted: January 05, 2021, 10:47 PM Post
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My wife (works for a healthcare system - hate to always say that, but I just like to qualify what I'm saying) said that physical reactions of people getting the vaccine have been - thus far - minimal. Some headaches and stuff like that - but nothing bad - and not for any extended period.

Most tier 1 people have been thrilled to get the vaccine - and more people want it. Which I find it encouraging.

I should note that in the initial surveys sent out to staff, there was a significant number of people who did not want to get the vaccine right away.

I stress right away because many do want to get it. But they are just wary about being the first in line. They want to see how others react - see how it works, etc.

I suspect that if the vaccine proves effective, many of these fence sitters will be happy to get their shot(s). Again, just my thoughts.


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Posted: January 06, 2021, 1:18 PM Post
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My wife (works for a healthcare system - hate to always say that, but I just like to qualify what I'm saying) said that physical reactions of people getting the vaccine have been - thus far - minimal. Some headaches and stuff like that - but nothing bad - and not for any extended period.

Most tier 1 people have been thrilled to get the vaccine - and more people want it. Which I find it encouraging.

I should note that in the initial surveys sent out to staff, there was a significant number of people who did not want to get the vaccine right away.

I stress right away because many do want to get it. But they are just wary about being the first in line. They want to see how others react - see how it works, etc.

I suspect that if the vaccine proves effective, many of these fence sitters will be happy to get their shot(s). Again, just my thoughts.



Yea, plus what I heard from a lot of people working in medical facilities, they didn't want to get immunized right before Christmas. Not sure why you wouldn't want it when you had the chance, but that's what I heard.


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Posted: January 06, 2021, 1:23 PM Post
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My wife works for a VA hospital. She got her first shot today so we will see what happens.


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FWIW, a friend of mine is a nurse who is about (today?) get her second shot. She posted on facebook asking her friends about reactions to the second shot. She had about 6 people mentioning bad bad headaches, stay in bed for a day, etc.. in response. None were sad that they took the second shot, but there were plenty of people experiencing the effects.


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Posted: January 06, 2021, 4:42 PM Post
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She had 1 coworker who had a reaction to the first shot (sick-in-bed for 3 days). We haven't heard of any other reactions. The roll-out is f'd up but that's how that VA runs.


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Posted: January 06, 2021, 5:39 PM Post
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I have a friend who is a first responder in Hawaii who got vaccinated on NYE. Said one day of headaches/chills/body aches/soreness around the injection site, but the next day totally fine.


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Posted: January 06, 2021, 5:48 PM Post
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My buddy just got his 2nd shot today. I'll have to ask how hes feeling.


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Posted: January 07, 2021, 10:17 AM Post
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My wife received her first shot on NYE and only had a sore arm. She's set to get her next shot in two weeks (Pfizer vaccine) and we'll see how she feels after that one.


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Posted: January 07, 2021, 10:19 AM Post
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My wife received her first shot on NYE and only had a sore arm. She's set to get her next shot in two weeks (Pfizer vaccine) and we'll see how she feels after that one.


Same with my wife. She gets her 2nd one next Tuesday.

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Posted: January 07, 2021, 12:16 PM Post
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Some updated data
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-cha ... 22117.html
Given that out of almost 2 million people hundreds of thousands are still going to have a history of allergies, only 17 reactions is a pretty small risk. Worth being informed about and certainly monitoring for but mercifully quite low.


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Posted: January 07, 2021, 1:52 PM Post
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Here's a little anecdote re: masks.

I decided not to go to WI for Christmas this year. My parents still had my sister's family over. Everyone wore masks, distanced etc. On the 26th my nephew was feeling a little sick, so of course he had been contagious on the 25th. Predictably, in a couple days both of my parents tested positive too. Thankfully they didn't/don't have severe cases. They are pretty healthy people and also they have been very diligent about resting, fluids, vitamins and all that.

I'm not saying masks and distance don't help, but I don't think they help as much as one might want to believe.


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Posted: January 07, 2021, 3:05 PM Post
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AKCheesehead said:
I decided not to go to WI for Christmas this year. My parents still had my sister's family over. Everyone wore masks, distanced etc.


Did they eat/drink? Anecdotally, people I know that have gotten the virus and are 'diligent mask wearers' usually come to the realization that they knew the person they got it from, and realized that they wore their masks most of the time... except for when they were all around the kitchen table eating.

Not saying that it happened in your case, but my personal opinion is that a lot of spread is happening in those types of moments when you hear about family events as causes.

Glad to hear that your parents made it through ok.


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Posted: January 07, 2021, 5:43 PM Post
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Certainly. They did spread out at mealtime, not congregated all around the table like normal. I too suspect that may have been the culprit. Or, heck, maybe even from serving utensils for all I know. Or from doing the dishes which no doubt Mom and Dad did since I wasn't there. Or, maybe breathed right through one mask and into another, we'll never know. I do know that there's really not a safe way to get together. I wasn't willing to take the chance. And the hell of it is, the reason I wasn't willing to go is because I was afraid I might pick it up on a plane or in an airport and get my parents sick with it.


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Posted: January 08, 2021, 9:44 AM Post
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Certainly. They did spread out at mealtime, not congregated all around the table like normal. I too suspect that may have been the culprit. Or, heck, maybe even from serving utensils for all I know. Or from doing the dishes which no doubt Mom and Dad did since I wasn't there. Or, maybe breathed right through one mask and into another, we'll never know. I do know that there's really not a safe way to get together. I wasn't willing to take the chance. And the hell of it is, the reason I wasn't willing to go is because I was afraid I might pick it up on a plane or in an airport and get my parents sick with it.


It's an airborne virus, they were in the same house & rooms for extended periods of time and they had masks off for extended periods of time.

None of this is surprising at all.

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